Melchior777 Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Has anyone taken the time to convert George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" aka, "The Game of Thrones," characters into hero? I'm currently running a FH campaign with similar characters in it and I'd like to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joen00b Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 It is quite possibly the best Fantasy books I've read in a long time, but converting the characters to Hero... it never occured to me. Most the main characters seem like normal folks with a lot of points in Political Intrigue, Character Assassination, Verbal Backstabbing. Doing a write up on the Hound and possibly Arya's fencing instructor (the character was from the first book and his name escapes me at this time) or maybe even Tyrion's Merc (again, the name escapes me) would be neat for sure. I'd be hard pressed to write up Dany and her dragons as I've not read the third book yet and not really sure how they react around her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchior777 Posted June 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 The series is by far the best I've read since "The Lord of the RIngs." My gaming group wants to play in a "Game of Thrones" setting and I was looking for references on the power level of the characters. Specificly, how many character points they were made off of, how many disad points they had, etc. If you haven't read this series, DO! It is the best. Heck, even the card game spin off is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 The power level should be pretty low, though it will vary sharply since it has to include combat monsters like Jaime and the Mountain. But even they won't be that high. Remember, Robin Hood only comes out to about 125 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawangaKid Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Save some work There was a recent Dragon Magazine that had a Song of ICE & FIRE set of campaign write-ups and stats / prestige classes and so on included (along with spoilers for those who've not read all the books yet). Borrow a copy and convert to HERO and voila! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnoViking Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 GOO got the rights for "Song of Fire and Ice"? If they use a version of the Tri-Start system you may be able to convert using Reality Storm when it comes out. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchior777 Posted June 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Actually, I heard that GOO just got the go ahead to do it. I didn't think they had exclusive rights. So if someone wanted to publish a Hero version, I'm sure they could with Mr. Martin's permission. Whom I understand to be a gamer himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 ASOIAF write-ups I'd written up Jon Snow (my favorite ASOIAF character) and his pet direwolf using HERO, but that was a long time ago and I think I've deleted the files. I'd started on Ned Stark and Bran too, but never got to finish them. I don't think the main characters would be so low-powered. Jon came up about 100 pts, as far as I can remember. And he is only 16... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrm Ouroboros Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Perhaps, but Ice & Fire is a very 'low-magic' world, something that the AD&D interpretations just don't hold up to. They have Danerys, for example, as an illusionist of something like 7th or 11th level, I don't recall -- and Danerys is "only" a Targaeryan (sp?) with dragons. (Okay, so she's got a very high ED vs fire, a subconscious psychic link with three 'followers', and currently rules a city with a -major- army backing her. Still doesn't make her an illusionist.) Hero, especially FREd, CAN live up to this, even to the point of describing Valyrian steel (AP or Penetrating, maybe both), the alchemist fire (Uncontrolled, Sticky, END Reserve based on the size of the container), everything. Yes, Jon Snow may be a 100 to 150 point character, but these are competent, even outstanding, normals; there are only really two spellcasters in the entirety of Westeros so far, and both of them are (supposedly) priests of a god that 'doesn't belong there'. (I prefer the greenmen and the godswoods.) So while Jon Snow and Ghost may be 100 points, most everyone else isn't much higher -- focussed on different things, perhaps, but certainly not much higher, pointwise. It all balances out, right?? Hey -- would the Lannisters have, collectively, 15 points worth of wealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Wyrm, I agree that Westeros is a low-magic world and that HERO is the best bet to simulate it. D&D don't simulate anything but D&D itself. BTW, Daenerys isn't really immune to fire. George R. R. Martin has said that the "Unburnt" episode was a miraculous, once-in-a-lifetime thing. At the least, give her No Conscious Control or Only Works in Suitable Dramatical Moments Lim. to her ED Armor. But even though magic is far more subtle in ASOIAF than in most fantasy worlds, it don't mean necessarily that the characters have low point totals. If you take skills, perks and several minor cool effects the "PCs" have, I think most of them would be respectable 150 pt heroes. Some of the current POVs are below that, but they're kids. Even then, I'd say 100 pts is a good total for ASOIAF PCs. Hmm... and most POV characters are more loaded up with Disadvantages than some superheroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Keen Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by Rene Only Works in Suitable Dramatical Moments Lim. to her ED Armor. How much do you suppose that would be worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by Citizen Keen How much do you suppose that would be worth? I don't know, something between a -1 and a -2 Lim. depending on how often the GM plans to let the player get away with it. Or just make it a plot device power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchior777 Posted June 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Nice to see I'm getting some responses to this post. Thanks for the info. What sort of skill package do you think the average POV has? What Everyman and what exceptional skills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Everyman List I think I know more about ASOIAF than about GMing the HERO System, but anyway... I think the "Viking Fantasy" Everyman List should work fine, just substitute TF: Equines for Small Boats. Since most POVs are nobles (I think only Davos is the exception), you could also create a noble Package Deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Hello! How do you guys think we should treat the several kinds of "followers" that appear in the series? Obviously the direwolves and dragons that accompany the Starks and Dany, respectively, are animal Followers. Some other character are loyal enough to be Followers too, like Dany's army of Unsullied and Dany's Bloodriders. But what about a Westerosi nobleman's household? Should they be Followers or just part-and-parcel of the "Nobility" Perk? I'd be more inclined to the former, since they're almost always extremelly loyal. What about the less loyal "bannerman" the Great Houses possess? Would they be Contacts or just an aspect of Nobility perk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchior777 Posted June 21, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 This question actually came up very early on in my game. The answer is effect based. Characters taken as followers have character statistics and can therefore do anything you ask of them. ( Fight individually, forge a new sword, etc. ) Characters that are not taken as followers, while they still exist and are loyal to the player, do not provide much in the way of "usefull skills or combat." It is accepted that they are there more as flavor text and it ends up that they cause or are in volved in more problems than thier worth. Basicly, the followers are your closest advisors and generals, or anyone in a command position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 I hope this discussion continues.... Maybe Dany's "immunity to fire" episdoe could be Luck based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Luck-Based, maybe. Lots of fantasy protagonists seem to have a kind of "fate" power that in HERO would be built using the options suggested in fRED for Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 Is it really necessary to have a points cost for what seems like a one-off, GM fiat kind of event? Or else it seems like it could be rolled into her Destined To Do Great Things perk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melchior777 Posted July 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Never leave a great story up to luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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