zornwil Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi, I'm sure it's around but I didn't see it and it's hard to search on words like this (to me, anyway) - would anyone familiar please elaborate on the differences between 4th and 5th Dark Champions? I'm not interested in better/worse, just the primary differences and in particular reasons that one might still pick up 4th edition Dark Champions. Apologies for covering ground I'm sure has been covered before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA. Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? Try this thread: http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20762 KA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted September 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? Dang, I gave out too much rep in the last 24 but will catch you later, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted September 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? I read through that, thanks. I have a followup and figured instead of necroing that thread I'd ask it here - is there anything in the 4th ed. version NOT in 5th? The implication of that thread is that everything (at least very nearly) in 4th is repeated/updated in 5th - is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemurion Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? I read through that' date=' thanks. I have a followup and figured instead of necroing that thread I'd ask it here - is there anything in the 4th ed. version NOT in 5th? The implication of that thread is that everything (at least very nearly) in 4th is repeated/updated in 5th - is that true?[/quote'] No, it's not. I took the simple expedient of pulling out the two books and comparing them. DC4E was much more aimed at running a street level supers campaign where DC5E is, as people have said, a sourcebook for modern action adventure. DC4E has more villains and NPCs; the 4E version of both Harbinger and the Card Shark are in DC4E where they're in Hudson City: the Urban Abyss in 5E. DC4E also has the Harpcor Towers which is a 20-story skyscraper with scenarios. In many ways DC4E is more aimed at assisting the GM in running the game rather than as a sourcebook for information to build the game. It has more characters and scenarios and plot hooks, but goes into much less detail about character options, limitations, weapons and the other staples of the genre. They changed both the focus of the book and the subject matter when updating to 5E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? Yup, 4th edition is actualy more comparable to Dark Champions: The Animated Series than anything else currently out. Problem is DC:AS really covers Batman/Daredevil/etc..., 4th DC was more aimed at Punisher...Does that make much sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? Yes, its makes perfect sense and I largely agree with it. Fifith Edition Dark Champions is more a supplments for Modern Action rather than Street Level Champions, IMO. Not that its not a great book and valuable resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted September 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? Thanks everyone, I will probably seek out the 4th version as well then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? While 4th ed. DC was more "gritty superheroes"¹, don't forget Justice, Not Law and An Eye for an Eye, a pair of sourcebooks for 4th ed. DC. They were definitely oriented more towards vigilantes and high-end normals than Street Supers². JNL, for instance, laid out the basics of Hudson City for the first time. ¹And why don't they wash up, get that grit off, huh? Isn't it uncomfortable? ²Not to be confused with "street sweepers," a term for firearms that can pretty much clear out a sizable area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawknight Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? I've taken both 4th & 5th versions of Hudson City and morphed it together. 5th gave more detail for locations, but 4th had so many teasers to fill out and locate where you wanted. I thought Justice:Not Law was the best Champions sourcebook to be put out for 4th. It had a city with lots of NPCs, Villians and locations, and a history you could play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: Fourth Versus Fith DC? Oh, you want to know about Dark Champions. And here I was about to explain that damage classes are the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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