Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Let's see... stands there and stops a fully-loaded freight train by letting it hit him. A little web search shows that a 60-car train can weigh in at 4,840 tons. Or 484 ktons. Which is roughly 120 STR. Or... a gray whale is around 36 tons. That's 53 STR right there. Hancock tossed it... uhm... 2-3 football fields, which is 600-900 yards or so. That's roughly 300 meters, or 150 inches. EDIT -- Well, it was late and I was tired. 1 yard = 1 meter (roughly), so 2-3 football fields is 600-900 yard and/or meters. Or 300-450 game inches. It was a Standing Throw and he needs... (checks the chart). Yeah, that won't work. 200 STR is a bit much. *checks the Realistic Throwing Tables in TUB* Okay, a 65 STR can toss 36 Tons 1,000 feet. So... either he's 65-70 STR, or he's 120 STR. Splitting the two gives me 93 STR. Considering the rest of his powers (supersonic flight, 40 PD or so, immortal), I say 'why not 120?' More to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR 120 sounds roughly pretty good. He may have a single level of Megascale For Throwing Distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR 120 sounds roughly pretty good. He may have a single level of Megascale For Throwing Distance. Yeah, he tossed that kid out of sight with casual ease... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR My attempt: http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1639236#post1639236 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR With regards to the Train incident, don't forget the rules for resisting knockback on pg421 of 5ER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Can't you also use Flight to resist Knockback? He's got a significant amount of Flight to add to his STR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Can't you also use Flight to resist Knockback? He's got a significant amount of Flight to add to his STR. Yeah, what he said. he's not lifting the train, just stopping it. Heh. "just" stopping it. That said, the 90-120 range seems reasonable. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR He didn't stop the train. Just the engine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Can't you also use Flight to resist Knockback? He's got a significant amount of Flight to add to his STR. It's worded such that it sounds like you need to be flying to use it, not just standing there. Hancock's flight has some obvious Side Effects, so I'd argue against him using it in that scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Let's see... stands there and stops a fully-loaded freight train by letting it hit him. A little web search shows that a 60-car train can weigh in at 4,840 tons. Or 484 ktons. Which is roughly 120 STR. Or... a gray whale is around 36 tons. That's 53 STR right there. Hancock tossed it... uhm... 2-3 football fields, which is 600-900 yards or so. That's roughly 300 meters, or 150 inches. It was a Standing Throw and he needs... (checks the chart). Yeah, that won't work. 200 STR is a bit much. *checks the Realistic Throwing Tables in TUB* Okay, a 65 STR can toss 36 Tons 1,000 feet. So... either he's 65-70 STR, or he's 120 STR. Splitting the two gives me 93 STR. Considering the rest of his powers (supersonic flight, 40 PD or so, immortal), I say 'why not 120?' More to follow. Throwing the whal didn't have to be at full STR, he was just trying to return it to the water. 70 casual STR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Throwing the whal didn't have to be at full STR' date=' he was just trying to return it to the water. 70 casual STR?[/quote'] If you presume a gray whale to be 36 tons (lets round up to 40 for ease of math), it takes 53 STR to get it to your ankles. 58 to your waist and 63 STR over your head. Using the TUB chart, 65 sounds good as a minimum STR for Hancock. Stopping the train takes some doing, though. As I said, that's something like 3,000-4,000 tons for a fully-loaded train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR If you presume a gray whale to be 36 tons (lets round up to 40 for ease of math)' date=' it takes 53 STR to get it to your ankles. 58 to your waist and 63 STR over your head. Using the TUB chart, 65 sounds good as a minimum STR for Hancock. Stopping the train takes some doing, though. As I said, that's something like 3,000-4,000 tons for a fully-loaded train.[/quote']Game effect however is the train performing a move-through and failing to do any knockback. While it may not look it, initially, Hancock could be seen to be bracing against the impending knockback, but like with so much that he does, the SFX makes it look casual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Game effect however is the train performing a move-through and failing to do any knockback. While it may not look it' date=' initially, Hancock could be seen to be bracing against the impending knockback, but like with so much that he does, the SFX makes it look casual.[/quote'] And how much damage does a 50-60 car train do at 20 km/hr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR And how much damage does a 50-60 car train do at 20 km/hr?How many phases does a train have? 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Let's say the train has a STR of 80 to haul all that weight. With a speed of 3 and 21" of movement, it can travel at 37 kph, so it's doing a 23d6 move-through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Let's say the train has a STR of 80 to haul all that weight. With a speed of 3 and 21" of movement' date=' it can travel at 37 kph, so it's doing a 23d6 move-through.[/quote'] Except 80 STR may (or may not) let you pull 3,000-4,000 tons. And to negate 23" of KB, you need... 115 STR. 120 might not be all that out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Okay, we call it STR 85 (for a lift of 6.4 ktons). Thats still only 25d6, which averages to 18" of knockback. A STR of 90 is needed to resist that, not including any flight, so maybe your ballpark isn't so far off of the mark, after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR I also got the impression that he had the Casual Effectiveness power from pg 54 of Ultimate Brick. +40 STR (40 Active Points); Only For Determining Casual STR (-1½). Total cost: 16 points.That would account for the whale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Okay' date=' we call it STR 85 (for a lift of 6.4 ktons). Thats still only 25d6, which averages to 18" of knockback. A STR of 90 is needed to resist that, not including any flight, so maybe your ballpark isn't so far off of the mark, after all?[/quote'] Man, may math was all off last night. 4,840 tons is 4.8 ktons, not 484 ktons. So 85 STR sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR Man' date=' may math was all off last night. 4,840 tons is 4.8 ktons, not 484 ktons. So 85 STR sounds about right.[/quote'] It's okay. It happens to the best of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR So, given that a STR of 90 would deal with the train, we go back to the OP. Why not 120? Did he do anything else that might need 120? The realistic throwing table means that he could throw the kid about 20 billion inches, with all that the chart assumes. (1 second application, 45° angle, no atmospheric friction.) So again, STR 90 more than enough, there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR He threw the kid up and out of sight, and it took said kid... what? 20-30 seconds to return? Still, 90 STR works fine for that. His two strongest stunts are the train and the whale. And we can use 1" of Megascale to get the whale toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldun Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR He threw the kid up and out of sight' date=' and it took said kid... what? 20-30 seconds to return? Still, 90 STR works fine for that. His two strongest stunts are the train and the whale. And we can use 1" of Megascale to get the whale toss.[/quote']You don't even need that, if you use the tables in Ultimate Brick. I'm just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR You don't even need that' date=' if you use the tables in [i']Ultimate Brick[/i]. I'm just saying. True... the realistic throwing tables show that Haruka from FLCL has a 40 STR or so, since she swatted a baseball into orbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Hancock's STR I haven't seen the movie, but it sounds like all the good parts were in the previews anyway. When I saw the previews I pegged him at around 90 to 100 STR with some stunts and secondary abilities such as Knockback Resistance. For what its worth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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