An odd form of memory manipulation

[nexus]

The character can cause a target to vividly recall memories have been forgotten or suppressed. They can't erase, alter or implant false memories with this power only make a target remember and with crystal clarity. The restored memories are natural and just as subject to bias and interpretation as any other but are extremely clear as if the target possessed Eidetic Memory. The power user doesn't automatically learn the memory she restores but can try to "refresh" memories of specific times or events.

[jwpacker]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

The character can cause a target to vividly recall memories have been forgotten or suppressed. They can't erase' date=' alter or implant false memories with this power only make a target remember and with crystal clarity. The restored memories are natural and just as subject to bias and interpretation as any other but are extremely clear as if the target possessed Eidetic Memory. The power user doesn't automatically learn the memory she restores but can try to "refresh" memories of specific times or events.[/quote']

 

Does the character also vividly recall? Or just the target. Because it sounds like it could be built with some variant on Telepathy, with linked Mental Illusions.

[JmOz]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Does the character also vividly recall? Or just the target. Because it sounds like it could be built with some variant on Telepathy' date=' with linked Mental Illusions.[/quote']

 

Some kind of aditional INT (Aid or +Char UBO, only other) with a custom lim of some kind for specific memory only

[Maccabe]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Depending on what caused the memory loss I might suggest MIND CONTROL with the command; "Remember"

[nexus]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Does the character also vividly recall? Or just the target. Because it sounds like it could be built with some variant on Telepathy' date=' with linked Mental Illusions.[/quote']

 

No she doesn't learn anything about the memory recalled. At least not by solely using this power. My gut instinct was Mental Transformation Person to person with restored memory needed. Probably Minor with a Major version for undoing Limitations.

[braincraft]

Call it 'Total Recall'

 

Photographic Memory UBO.

[jwpacker]

Re: Call it 'Total Recall'

 

Photographic Memory UBO.

 

Wouldn't you need to use that power proactively, rather than retroactively?

 

No, I'm thinking the mental transform is about the only way to do it the way the OP presented it.

[Hyper-Man]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

from 5er page 89,

Eidetic Memory Cost:

5 Character Points (+5 to INT Rolls, Only To Recall Memorized/Perceived Information (-2))

 

However, this Talent's cost is somewhat dubious since skills levels of less than 5 active points are normally not eligible to have Limitations applied to them.

 

...

 

Here are some possible ways to give the same sort of ability to others:

 

10 Eidetic Memory, Usable As Attack (+1) (10 Active Points)

 

17 +25 INT, Usable As Attack (+1) (50 Active Points); Limited Power Only To Help Target Recall Memorized/Perceived Information (-2)

 

22 Retrocognitive Clairsentience (Sight, Hearing, Touch And Smell/Taste Groups), Usable By Other (+1/4) (87 Active Points); Limited Power Only To Help Target Recall Memorized/Perceived Information (-2), Precognition/Retrocognition Only (-1) - END=9

[Notes: Retrocognitive Clairsentience was the original basis for the Eidetic Memory Talent in 5e]

 

28 Aid INT 8d6+1 (standard effect: 25 points) (83 Active Points); Limited Power Only To Help Target Recall Memorized/Perceived Information (-2)

[Nolgroth]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

I was going to say Retrocognition, Memories Only, but Hyperman beat me to the punch.

[Sean Waters]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Lot's of good ideas but how about simple telepathy, with a limitation to indicate that it is the target who 'reads' the memory not the 'attacker'. Say -1. That is quite handy because it already has different levels built in for how deep the memory is.

 

Or UBO self only telepathy

[Hyper-Man]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Lot's of good ideas but how about simple telepathy, with a limitation to indicate that it is the target who 'reads' the memory not the 'attacker'. Say -1. That is quite handy because it already has different levels built in for how deep the memory is.

 

Or UBO self only telepathy

 

Where's the EDM?

Where's the Transform??

 

You're slipping Sean.

 

HM

[braincraft]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Where's the EDM?

Where's the Transform??

 

You're slipping Sean.

 

HM

 

Detect: Forgotten Memories, Discriminatory, Self Only.

[Sean Waters]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Where's the EDM?

Where's the Transform??

 

You're slipping Sean.

 

HM

 

I'm not feeling well. Normal service will doubtless soon be resumed.

[nexus]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Does the character also vividly recall? Or just the target. Because it sounds like it could be built with some variant on Telepathy' date=' with linked Mental Illusions.[/quote']

 

Come to think of it, since she doesn't know Mental Illusions might be enough to pull it off.

[jwpacker]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Come to think of it' date=' since she doesn't know Mental Illusions might be enough to pull it off.[/quote']

 

Well, as you can get a sizable discount on your Mental Illusions for having no control over what you make your target see/experience, this sounds very similar.

[Sean Waters]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

One of those interesting things about MI is the question: what do they see?

 

If the answer is 'what you want then to', in a narrow sense (eg I make him see one of the creatures from the 'aliens' series, you know the ones designed by Giger?) then the 'attacker' controls the MI, and, even if someone is attacking themselves, it will not help them recall anything.

 

OTOH if they see 'what you want them to' in a broader sense (I want them to see a scary monster, but I don't care much what it looks like) then the target has considerable input. I'm still not sure that it would allow access to hidden or forgotten memories, but it is closer.

 

The other issue is the assumption that memories you have forgotten are still there, just not accessable, like deleted computer files. If someone has completely deleted the memory (mental transform, perhasp) then it should generally not be accessable by a power that just 'reads' synapses.

 

Hmm. Anyway. Interesting area.

[jwpacker]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

The other issue is the assumption that memories you have forgotten are still there, just not accessable, like deleted computer files. If someone has completely deleted the memory (mental transform, perhasp) then it should generally not be accessable by a power that just 'reads' synapses.

 

Might depend upon the sfx of the transform as well. If they were very specific about saying that the memory itself was utterly erased, then yes, hard to actually get that one back. But if, on the other hand, the change was more subtle, essentially erasing every connection with sense memory and other neural connections, but the memory is still there, then we're back in business.

[nexus]

Re: An odd form of memory manipulation

 

Well' date=' as you can get a sizable discount on your Mental Illusions for having no control over what you make your target see/experience, this sounds very similar.[/quote']

 

That's what I was thinking. Telepathy wouldn't, IMO, be required. The "attacker" doesn't learn anything at all except what the "target" chooses to tell them (and whatever might be gleaned from their reaction to the recovered memory). There's already an information search aspect to Mental Illusions since a mentalist can use it to make a target experience things he personally has never seen by taking the imagery from the target's memories (or imagination I guess in the case of something neither of them has really "seen").

 

Might depend upon the sfx of the transform as well. If they were very specific about saying that the memory itself was utterly erased' date=' then yes, hard to actually get that one back. But if, on the other hand, the change was more subtle, essentially erasing every connection with sense memory and other neural connections, but the memory is still there, then we're back in business.[/quote']

 

I think, as you say, that would boil down to special effects. In a pinch, I'd just use some variant on the "Contest of Power" optional rules or a skill vs skill contest of some sort. Generally though, unless the situation specifically brought it up, I'd assume the memories were accessible somehow. Even a Mental Transform either heals or requires a reversal condition, usually the use of a psychic surgery or a fitting mental power.