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Re: DC's Best Martial Artist Hey, Puckett did some great stuff with her. Dude was bein' sarcastic.

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Re: Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved A Pyramid article invented a quasi-magical plant for the GURPS Yrth fantasy setting that could be woven into insect-repellent cloaks. Controlling the harvest and supplies of said plants rapidly became almost as much of a strategic priority as controlling sufficient iron mines and foundries to arm your troops... because the Cloaks Of Keeping My Army's Death Rate From Disease Much Lower Than Normal *were* almost as much a vital material of war as weapons & armor were.

Re: All-New Iron Age Zoo Crew? I heard that the excuse was nothing more than 'I'm a cat. Therefore, I hate mice.'

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists > Well from the point that Cap remarks that IF is holding back, Cap has > the thought in his head that something is definitely wrong here and at > that point may no longer fighting with all he's got. Which is an odd thing to say, 'cause Cap does better in the second half of the fight than he does in the first. > Also you may be misinterpreting Cap's use of the shield as the > only thing that keeps him from being pulp. Cap used the shield > because he had it in hand, Cap had already blocked IF's previous blow > with his bare hand and may well have been able to dodge the Iron Fist > Punch. IF's previous blow != Iron Fist. And you are purely speculating. > If I'm Cap in this situation and a guy's hand starts crackling with > energy, my first instinct is to get behind my trusty indestructable > shield. Just because it is the option he chose, doesn't make it his only > option in this case. What else can Cap do, Abort to Desolid? You can't block the Iron Fist the same way Cap blocked Danny's backhand a couple panels ago, you'd simply shatter your arm. The full force of the Iron Fist has sent Iron Man flying completely off the page, and could kill Luke Cage with a single shot. They're fighting in a hallway, besides, so Cap doesn't even have room to jump too high.

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists The v1 run of IRON FIST only /went/ fifteen issues... and the fight in Avengers Mansion that I posted the scans of was IRON FIST v1 #12. BTW, reread my copy. After the scans I posted, the fight ends... Cap gets up (the shield blocked it, of course), and Danny talks Cap down from the mistaken identity thing by simply refusing to fight any longer. So, definitely stalemate. I'm going through the rest of my IRON FIST right now, and I have yet to find any Cap/Falcon issue.

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists In CAPTAIN AMERICA ANNUAL #8, a copy of which sits within ten feet of my computer terminal at home, they were very evenly matched for several pages, claws vs. shield, until their fight was interrupted by the arrival of the Over-Rider and TESS-One. Have they had any other fights of note?

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists ... except, of course, the actual comics themselves. What's "silly" is your refusal to actually listen to what I am saying.

Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Scans of a section of the Cap/Iron Fist fight (to which I am referring): http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capif26zj.jpg http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capif31dn.jpg http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capif43xd.jpg Note now the internal monologue of Danny specifically makes it plain this is exhausted Iron Fist. (Actually, if you look at the third scan, it's exhausted and so dizzy he can barely stand Iron Fist.) Note also the internal monologue of Cap specifically making it plain that Iron Fist was initially holding back. Note that even with all the handicaps that Iron Fist is taking, they're stalemating... until the end, where only the Mighty Shield keeps Cap from being pulp.

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists > This is the stupidest statement I've ever seen you make. Seriously. There's > a part of me that thinks you want to take it back. Nope, absolutely none. Cap has never beaten Iron Fist that I know about, and therefore I think your statement of Cap supposedly having arsewhipped Iron Fist is wrong. (And given that you can't remember where you read it, I'm wondering if you remembered what you read with any more accuracy.) But note, all of this is me going 'Jeff, I think you're wrong' not 'Jeff, I think you're lying.' *sigh* Man, even when I *TRY* to give people the benefit of the doubt, they still refuse to believe it. Stuff like this makes me bitter and cranky. > "Actually, Cap has never beaten Iron Fist." Is not an opinion, it is > declarative (obviously). Well, yes, it is. But making a declarative statement in opposition to a declarative statement of your own is...? ... me thinking that you're wrong. Not lying, not deliberately attempting to deceive, not anything insulting -- merely *wrong*. Have you never been wrong in an Internet post before? Do you truly consider it such a mortal insult to be accused of such? (I mean, God knows people tell me they think I'm wrong all the damn time.) And I am going 'straight up' with you on this... hell, all of the trouble I get into on these boards is because I don't know any other mode of interaction *but* 'straight-up', i.e., blunt.

Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists There is a grave danger in taking narrative hyperbole and interpreting it literally. Stuff like this leads you to believe that Superman hits "with the force of a million H-bombs" (DOOMSDAY: HUNTER/PREY) and that the Ten-Eyed Man is "the most dangerous man alive!" (Silver Age BATMAN comics). For a more Marvel-oriented example, the Avengers have always been billed as "Earth's Mightiest Heroes!"... and while that statement is true for *some* Avengers line-ups, there have been other Avengers line-ups that could have been singlehandedly schooled by Lockheed the Dragon.

Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Actually, no, it's not official enough for me. I accept no guidebooks, handbooks, compilations, websites, or other such fluff. I go by what is in the comics themselves, as those are primary canon, and all others are secondary canon at best. Or to put it in plainer English -- if the index contradicts the actual page content, the page content wins.

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Rom? The guy with a magic "turn energy powers off" gun? The guy with a cyborg exoskeleton that can take hits from the Thing? That Rom? I can kinda figure out how Danny Rand would be kinda screwed against Rom if a) the only thing he has that can hope to dent the robot shell is the Iron Fist and his opponent possesses a gizmo with which to Suppress his Iron Fist multipower slot.

Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists > Seems you've read a great deal more Iron Fist than me, Which in a rational universe would mean that I'd be accepted as knowing more about Iron Fist's genuine power levels, feats, and history than you. Might I recommend the ESSENTIAL IRON FIST collection if you'd like to see more? > the 20-30 or so stories I've read with him in them don't give him this much > power, Marvel doesn't seem to 'officially' agree with you, [snip] The OHOTMU is not officially binding on anything (let alone being at least 20 years out of date!), and the fact that you admit to an incomplete knowledge of Iron Fist means only that you have an incomplete knowledge of Iron Fist. > and were this to be his typical abilities then he's clearly superhuman and off > the list anyway. Hey, people like Batgirl and Lady Shiva were still on the DC list, and they can punch holes in brick walls and move faster than bullets. Val Armorr was excluded only because he was not from the 20th century of the DCU, not because he was metahuman. Not to mention that people like Stick are on the Marvel list, and Stick has such truly obnoxious chi control that he can use it, among other things, to raise the dead. (Not to mention Mantis having alien pressure point attacks that can temporarily immobilize Thor and Wonder Man, etc.) Iron Fist's meta stats all derive from his super-duper extra-dimensional (K'un Lun is in another dimension, remember) martial arts training, and so he qualifies, methinks.

Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Apparently, somebody's too good to simply say 'I think you missed issue # such-and-such.' Nope, gotta jump straight to calling other people liars (well, OK, you *merely* said that I was trying to pass off "flat-out bull" on the audience... oh, wait, there's no real difference.) *snorts* And people say *I'm* rude. PS -- issue #?

Re: DC's Best Martial Artist The Question is very very good, but I don't know enough to say *how* good. I'm 99% sure he's below the Black Canary/Bronze Tiger level, but he's definitely way above the Huntress level.

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Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists Slade "Deathstroke" Wilson is metahumanly strong and fast. Not *as* fast or *as* strong as Spidey, but definitely above the 'peak human' Cap level. He also recently picked up an almost Deadpool-level healing factor, so he's DQ'ed anyway.