Lord Mhoram

Apparently they're adding 5 new characters next season. Kinda makes you wonder if some of the 1st Season regulars aren't making the move, or are getting pushed into the background?

As a Legion fan the words "Science Police" made me grin.

Reason I was thinking Batwoman/Kate Kane is because in a lot of ways, other then the Bat name, she isn't really part of the Bat family. She comes in from the side.

She is mainstreamed in the most recent issue of Detective comics, in a sense. She and Bruce are cousins (her dad, his mom). And the two of them are training younger ones to face an developing problem - Red Robin, Steph, Cassandra, and others.

So Batman, Batwoman, and some kids - talk about "the Batman Family"

I have no issues with the Time travel of the show - it can be nonsensical, but it can lead to great moments and stories. Personally I liked Season 2 (and it's end) more than Season 1.

Something else occurred to me. The Jay Garrick Flash said he was from what they would call earth-3. Isn't Earth-3, in DC continuity, the home of the Sindicate (or whatever the evil version of the JL is)?

That is bascially what Earth-2 is in the TV show. All the heroes have evil counterparts. I expect that the TV Earth-3 will be the equivalent of Comic Earth-2.

Bummer. Plus my understanding is that Calista Flockhart has said she's not interested in moving to Vancouver, so no more Cat.

Supergirl needs to move out on her own more anyway. I'm cool with that change. Even when she was on the heroes side I found her annoying.. .and not in the "the character is annoying, it will be a fun episode" but more "She's annoying, lets turn it off".

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 apparently features a Simon Williams film festival, among other things. Wonder Man is played by none other than Nathan Fillion. Win!

Yeah - I thought that brilliant casting.

I think it's classy of Joss Whedon to recant some of his previous remarks about Marvel, and both accept more blame for things that weren't perfect in Age of Ultron (which were few IMHO), and give more credit to the things that were great (which were many IMNSHO). The state he was in after the film was finished, his attitude at the time is understandable.

I recently rewatched it - first time since the theater (getting ready for Civil War). It was not as flawed as I remember... but then my biggest issue was that in a lot of ways the structure was similar. Big nasty villian, uses mind games and mind control to mess up the team (specifically triggering the Hulk) that messes up the team have a good argument between Steve and Tony, they need something to bring them together, someone gives them the big speech and the reason for motivation, and we have a huge set piece with puppets and one big boss that Tony is willing to sacrifce himself to stop.

I would have just like something that didn't feel so samey - it was almost like some music from Nickleback - they found the formula and so songs sound the same (How you remind me of Someday). Most of my other complaints vanished upon second watching.

The moments and bits were fantastic, great set pieces, great lines, cool bits that made the moment to moment of the move very enjoyable.

So Snyder's Batman is not only a casual killer, he's also a gullible moron? The more I hear, the worse it sounds.

Not really. It's pretty obvious that Lex has been setting this up for years, the movie just doesn't tell you that flat out, and expects you to understand it, strongly implied. Batmans has some pretty severe psych lims and Lex kept hitting them.

John Scalzi posted a review that basically said: "If you like Zack Snyder movies, this is a Zach Snyder movie. If you don't like Zack Snyder movies, this is a Zach Snyder movie." I think that about sums it up for me.

Fair enough. I really liked Watchmen, Sucker Punch and MoS.

That was funny.

"[Grant Gustin] has played the same character (Barry Allen / The Flash) in four different television series: Arrow (2012), The Flash (2014), Vixen (2015) and Supergirl (2015).

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2652716/bio#trivia?item=nt1412191

I was like "There is a Vixen show and I don't know about it?!" but it was a cartoon. *sigh*

We don't watch Tony because he's an awesome person. Mother Teresa was an awesome person. Did anyone watch Mother Teresa? No, because she was boring. And because she made us feel bad about our selfish materialistic lives. There's a reason all the ratings go to Trumps, Kardashians, Bachelors, Lannisters, Sopranos, and Simon Cowell. Awful people. Monsters! But entertaining.

Great Comparison. Iron Man is the Snookie of the MCU.

Apparently, in the Civil War comics, Tony Stark was the leader we were supposed to side with!

Just someone who doesn't understand culture. The main writier was Mark Millar - a hack to begin with, and British. He didn't understand about American attitudes about things like that. He saw iron man as the obvious choice, then made him more villains to make it more balanced. The biggest miscalculation in comics for a long time. And it colored the whole thing.

The fact that there really isn't secret IDs, and the recent history of the MCU means that kind of thing won't be happening.

Part of why I think the movie will work. My only worry - even if both sides are "right" if the fight comes to blows (which obviously it will) somebody will at least sort of "wrong". That really has to be handled delicately, but in general I trust the MCU creative people - especially the Cap team.

 

Bring on the cliche' mastermind villain manipulating both sides ! I want a villain to pin the worst of whatever on! (I maybe alone in that)

Nope. I do too.

Civil War is one of those ideas that people think is a terrific idea because they haven't thought through what it means to basic tropes and themes of comic book superheroes. 

Man, I thought from the beginning any hero vs hero fight that wasn't a misunderstanding or control thing was a really stupid idea.

I consider Civil War to be one of the worst comics / ideas in the history of comics. But the people handling the MCU and specifically the Cap Team have been great. I am going to see it. I really don't expect to like it (but the MCU is in a different situation than Marvel U as you mentioned) , but I am giving them a chance. I really didn't like the trailers and ideas I saw for Cap 2, but when the movie turned into people "making hard choices in a hard world that had to be made" and Cap just called them on their bull, and went out and was the Hero, I loved it.  I'm hoping the same kind of "wow they made that work" in the end for this.

Overall Marvel Phase two was a disappointment for me. Only actually really loved Guardians, Ant Man and Cap 2 - all the other phase two sequels were worse than their previous movie (thor 2 worse than thor, Iron Man three worse than Iron Man 2 or 1, Avengers 2 a huge disappointment). I'm really hoping phase three picks it back up.

I really wish the film would make Iron Man just as bad in the actual Civil War comics (read up...there's quite a lot of crap to pile on him!)...but i'll not hold my breath for this adaptation because of contractual heroism on Robert Downey Jr's part, a pandering to both fanbases ("Team Captain America" plus "Team Iron Man"), and the all-too-easy out in introducing a third-party bad guy that requires both teams to unite in order to combat.

 

Would be nice to see a symbol of America's best ideas smashing in that fascist businessman's teeth.

Yeah Agreed.

I really don't see a way to end this well without one side or the other being just.. wrong. How the movie is going to maintaining the heroism of both leaders... each having their fanbase, could be problematic. Really the only way I see it happening is if Cap has another heroic death in sacrifice and Tony realizing he's been an idiot. (bias - Captain America is my favorite Mainstream Mavel Hero). They have two characters to take on the Cap Mantle in the movie. This being a Captain America Movie and not an Iron Man or Avengers movie - Cap's side sort of has to be favored. And that will annoy (or worse) team Iron Man. I've always hated Hero vs Hero, aside from "being controlled" or the classic "first meet misunderstanding".

Yup. I did some internet searching, and Lord M is right.

 

That scene has me a bit worried about the direction they are going...

It makes it sound like Superman is going to go bad, perhaps as Darkseid's brainwashed patsy as we've seen in other comics/cartoons. Too Soon!  I think we don't know THIS Superman well enough. It loses omph if he's hated a lot in two movies only to become the evil general in the third... imo anyway. So I hope I'm reading that warning wrong.

 

Now that a few people have seen it...

 

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THE TIME TRAVEL GUY WAS???  Hermit guessed maybe Flash or Rip Hunter, however he was dressed almost like Adam Strange or something...he had a weird helmet at least.  I dunno if he was trying to warn about Darkseid or something so maybe it was Orion or Mister Miracle

 

Yeah, I am not as much bothered by the movie's tone as I am by the complete absence of a coherent and interesting story.

I don't think we saw the same movie.

There was a huge commentary about 2 men (Bats and Lex) that were helpless as kids, and did everything in their life to make sure they were not helpless again. Then along comes superman and completely makes them helpless again - the whole "knowledge is power, I have knowledge but am powerless" thing from lex and the "The world only makes sense when you make it " came from Batman - Les was driven to re-establish his worldview on the world again.

So Lex manipulates Superman and batman into fighting, and really manipulates Bats (likely for a year before the movie started), to end up in this situation. Then they realize it, and then BOOM have to deal with Doomsday (obviously Lex back up plan).I personally felt it held together as a story, with a great commentary (as mentioned) with lots of good characterization, nice easter eggs, and some good set up for the Justice League.

One thing watching MoS and Dawn of Justice - the superman portrayed in them is shy. He spent he life hiding what he was, and now is famous. The whole seen when they all bowed down to him in the newer film, he read sort of like "umm. oooahkay.. what I am .. wahat.. maybe they'll just stop.. well this is akward" more that anything else. this superman is not the perfect ideal that many like him to be (he was that in Superman: The Movie - my favorate take on superman by far) but he is very human with flaws.

On of the big complaints thrown out about superman is he is perfect, he has no flaws etc. This Superman is very human. That may be what I liked.

Snyder shouldn't let his own personal beliefs affect his characters.  It reminds me of when Joss Whedon, an atheist, received flack from other atheists about Captain America's line in the Avengers - "There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that."  He defended it by saying, "That's certainly not what I believe, but that's exactly what Captain America would say."

One of my favorite lines from that movie.

As much as Avengers, maybe more? 

Ok... this is awkward, I have to go ask the mob for a pitchfork...

 

 

Seriously, glad you liked especially since I liked it myself. Surprised you liked it that much, but cool.

I am more of a DC guy overall than Marvel - so all these characters I have more familiarity with, and a deeper connection to. So all the little "DCU" bits that are tossed in, I got. Half the time on marvel movies I find out about comic ties to second and third tier characters in a movie by reading forums and such. Seeing Flash, Aquamarine, Cyborg in their cameos really just made me smile.

I watched Man of Steel last night, and it was actually better than I remember. There were nuances and motivation that I missed in the theater - like Pa Kent wasn't "Don't show yourself at all" it was "Don't show yourself until you and the world are ready" huge difference in tone. MoS moved up in my top 5 or so for superhero movies and Dawn of Justice is above that.

Saw it this morning. Personally I loved it - I didn't feel like there was a single wrong note. I liked it as much as Avengers, maybe more.

For all the raving from people about DC characters in Arrowverse might want to remember how equally many were also in Smallville.

The whole "No suit" thing for Smallville killed it as a superhero show, as opposed to Arrow and Flash which are embracing that aspect. I know that is why I stopped watching.

Flash is getting a  movie, but it's years off.