Christopher R Taylor

I think a 1st level superhero would be a guy with like one power he could use a couple times a day, or a few points of extra defenses. Champions presumes more than that, but at least in the old days they started you as a New Mutant, not an Avenger. Vulnerabilities, activation rolls, etc were all pretty standard in 2-3rd edition.

Its been my observation that if you give players enough points they can build their characters with all the stuff they want, they have a hard time figuring out where to put experience except in "I want to take less damage" or "I want to hit harder." Leaving players hungry with gaps in their build gives plenty of inspiration to spend xps and places for the GM to exploit and build stories around.

Well if I built a Cyclops in a game I'd do that but there's no evidence of that in the comics. His personal immunity to Havok is just because they're brothers and they have the same basic blast type (he's immune to his own attack as well, as in his eyelids can keep back a blast that can punch through a tank). Storm is pretty much just given plot protection. I remember her standing in one image, with no powers, in front of everyone else as this crappy morlock killer uses this blizzard of shrapnel attack. She sort of cringes and everyone behind her gets torn apart, Collossus is hurt so bad he passes out. Plot protection. In Champions, you just get hit with the AE, heh

Exactly, in a game, the bad guys are typically a bit smarter in terms of tactics, the combat is more about the fighting than telling the story, etc. What works in a comic book doesn't necessarily in a game. That's never been my favorite either, I really prefer the arc of a campaign where you start out small and accomplish something rather than start out on top and... I'm not really sure where you go at that point. I'm not saying you can't pull it off or nobody should do that, its just not my preferred structure, nor most players that I've met.

A lot of comic book characters are pretty defense-free. Cyclops for example is a huge energy blast in two legs. Yeah he's got some martial arts training and body armor, but its not very significant. Storm has no defenses, wears little in the way of clothing let alone armor, and is pretty much never hit - but when she is, she goes down in a heap. Until she lost her powers, then she shifted all her points into martial arts and suddenly was a master hand-to-hand fighter.

Well I guess it depends on definition again. The 12 damage class/60 active point level didn't change, but in Hero, more points = more power. If you get 50 more points for stuff, that's 50 points more powerful than the guy who didn't spend that. Moving to 6th required more points to pay for characteristics, but not as much more as 400 points gives.

Here's the thing: a character in 4th edition at 250 points in a literal translation power for power to 6th edition ends up only 50-75 points more expensive, not 150 points more. I know this, because I've done exactly that on this board with hundreds of 2-4th edition characters. There's a real increase in power over the editions beyond increased cost. Nothing in 5th edition made characters have to cost more than 4th, people just wanted more points. So the base points for the character went up. There's nothing compelling people to use the suggested starting points, of course. I don't. But its false that the point total or power total hasn't gone up over editions.

Attacks of Opportunity also deal with the abstracted representation of combat that D&D uses; you can move past people and away from people without them being able to reasonably react as they would in a real fight because its taking place over a time period instead of blow-by-blow. That said, I do allow people to abort to a straight OCV attack (no levels or special maneuvers) on someone in more gritty games if they try to blow past someone in combat. Because of the jerky way movement works in hero combat, it helps offset how you can just race around on the board on your phase while everyone else stands still.

These days Thor just speaks with a different font, from what I've seen. He dropped all the Thees and thous because Millar/Nicieza et al thought it was lame and, like, old.

You two should collaborate on it. I know I suggested the Viper's Nest bit because its so established and would be easier to do, but if you can and want to come up with something unique and new, I'm fine with that. It might even be easier to fit into the proposed sequence of revealed rules and bits as a tutorial.

So is anyone other than Deadman and I actually working on this? I mean, I can write it and all but I have other, paying stuff to work on.

Yeah I'll typically build the slower or less agile sort with 14 or so dexterity: enough to move reasonably well but not particularly exceptional. Unless the character is modeled on The Blob, they're going to be reasonably athletic despite being big and strong. This is important. A GM is best served if they are comfortable enough with character design and combat that they have a gut level or instinctual feel for how characters match up. It helps when setting up combat and building bad guys, it helps when assessing challenges, etc.

I typically build bricks with low speed, but mentalists fairly high because they're usually acting mentally which is quite fast - especially in someone trained with mental powers and an unusually keen brain. The typical hero seems around 5 speed, with 3 quite low and 6 very fast. Anything above that is speedster territory to me, but I could see a really well trained martial artist having 6 speed. I've had a few fantasy hero characters played in my games with 5 speed. Just that 1-2 points over everyone else really shows up.

I figured 10-20 because characters started at 10 and 20 was a reasonable max for human strength - lifting 800+ lbs over your head is someone who is in really terrific shape. It seemed to make sense if you extrapolate from STR to the other stats. Figured was a bit less clear, since there were no benchmarks, but you could just use max stats to figure from and see what you got.

Yeah I like both of those better, good designs.

Its no myth, its easily traced through each edition from 4th onward. I mean, its obvious that each edition suggested more points for your superheroic characters (even if some GMs like me ignored the increase). Whether that represents a real increase in power for characters is debatable, but there's not really any way to label that increase as "mythical."

Ask Magnus, Robot Fighter!

Damage Shield in 5th edition was really, really awful. It cost a zillion points to get virtually no effect.

Nah, I've been of the opinion that ain't nobody gonna turn this ship around, no matter who they are. We're past the point of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, its almost vertical.

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The starting points are just suggestions. In my experience, a 250 point 4th edition character translates into about 300-325 points in 6th edition. There are more options so you can make them have more stuff, but its not necessary to spend 400 points.

I like that a lot, got a kind of modern knight feel

Why not just buy DCV?

Yeah the more I think about it, the less triggered DCV makes any sense at all. Its either just plain DCV or levels of DCV against specific kinds of attacks. If you want your character to have better DCV against something, just buy that.

During your combat do you apply the rule to not exceed twice the DC of a weapon. I have a house rule where you can continue increasing, but it doubles the strength minimum. so: 3 damage class weapon (1d6 KA) can be doubled for 5 points over the STR min each damage class; +15 STR gives you 2d6. To get the next d6 takes 10 strength per damage class; +30 strength gets you 3d6. and so on. And, of course, the weapon is damaging its self.