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We used to play the hell out of the original 3 book set of D&D with Grayhawk and Blackmoor added in. Also 3 LBB Traveller, Metamorphosis Alpha and Stormbringer 1ed. Great times. Even with AD&D although one of my staple players detested it as nothing but unnecessary rules bloat. He played yet would have gladly stayed with the white box version. So your right. We had tons of fun and just winged it half the time with these 'guidelines'. That's really what OD&D amounted to. The others were a bit more of a system. It seems to me Champions Complete and FHC are enough to do the same if one wanted but are subsets of Hero for those who want maximum umph. Game companies need to produce because it's a relatively small market. Once the base has bought X 1st ed and sales decline on X adventures and X supplements you either go out of business, drop the line and move on to something completely different or reimagine the line with X 2nd ed. This is usually X 1st ed with rules changes and material from all the X supplements baked in. Usually presented as bigger and better. 3 decades later......Melee is Gurps 4th ed, Champions is Hero 6th ed, D&D is 3.5. Some love it, some go the OSR route and play Swords avd Sorcery White Box. Personally, I like the variety but admit that if all I had was D&D White Box I would likely play more and contemplate less. And save money. I don't think options have hurt Hero, I think electronic video games, the loss of literacy and decline of social get togethers in the physical realm have done more damage. And let's not forget after 50 yrs of P&P RPGS, ebay resales and reprints on RPGnow there is a shit ton to choose from. Hero is really NOT for the causal group.

I won't argue with you there. When I was 12 I had all the time in the world to create worlds. Now, no time to do anything but upkeep of my real one. Assuming that it IS real...🤔...and that I am me...🤯

Its a big man that owns up. Cheers to you, sir! 😉

That's the cost of being allowed access to the source code! Hero with bestiary, grimoire and FH's templates seem pretty much equal any given D&Dish type set. (admitted with a greater investment by GM and players), Warhammer FRP, Hollow Earth Expedition, Zweihander are examples of more complete gaming environments. Which is great and cool as long as your content with the setup. Hero is freaking awesome if you want to build your own world. The complexity issue between Steve Jackson's Melee, Wizard, Adv Melee, Adv Wizard, The Fantasy Trip and GURPS is to me a personal preference of the GM and group because even Melee is a tougher game than Hangman or UNO. But Melee opens tons of options over them there UNO cards and Hero opens tons of options over....uhh...EVERY FREAKING THING! But I still like UNO! 😃

Marylin Manson perhaps? Bit more than the ribs?

I do because being new to Hero it explains not only the logic but the mechanics behind the talent. These builds are similar to code snippets in a programming manual. And Hero is a kind of programming manual for P&P RPGs. Or toolkit, whatever lingo floats your boat.

I sometimes see in the rules something like "the player could be allowed to take a -0 perceivable Limitation", or "not worth more than a +0 Advantage". Other than being a descriptor of the power or a function of the special effect does this have any other in game effect? I am interpreting it as flavor text rather than something which alters the rules. Truth is I'm confused because I'm thinking of it as follows and I'm betting I'm wrong. Example: The Torch could have a -0 Limitation that his flames are perceivable or a +0 Advantage that his flames can provide light in the dark.

Thats what I'm talkin bout!

Thank you!

6E says Talents are built from skills and powers. The example build of Universal Translator in 6E1 Appendix is built using Detect Meaning of Speech 10 pts and Detect Meaning of Text 10 pts. Am I correct that this is from Powers-Sense Groups and uses Detect Table - 'A large class of things' ?

Use your Vision!

I'm trying to look at the difference in Cap but my eyes keep Wandaring.

No wonder my momma called it 'filthy money' 🤮

Ok, I looked at the Unified Power limitation and it seems to me at first consideration that it is a decent replacement for EC. It forces part of the limitation I thought should be attached to EC but I might offer it at 1/2 for dampening effects other than Drain attacks. Such as a fire hose or lack of oxygen putting out the Flying Flamers Unified Suite of powers as well as a Drain attack. I would have to think about it though. In the case of flame, water and vacuum are fairly obvious and common. Something which would dampen cosmic powers, like magic green rock, would be less obvious and uncommon.

I cannot even imagine someone besmirching the efficacy of the Bat-Halon-arang!

Will do. Thank you for the suggestions.

Only reason I was reviewing this is I just got 6th ed and was trying to get why EC's were dropped. To me it seemed like a good why to create sensible characters, (common power source), with an Achilles heel. As long as the GM enforces that weakness and has villains capitalize on it often enough to be a PITA for the player. I liked the 'tightness' of it.

Thank you Chris for both the correction and the correction! 😁 I even checked the errata for 5th and 6th and it was missed. After pouring through the pages in both rules set I was stymied so I begged for help. Your my Hero! 🤩

Are: Ultimate Skill Dark Champions Spacers Toolkit Galactic Champions Still available? If so how much total please?

Firebrand, (the demo 5th and 6th ed character), has 6 PD, 10 ED. Resistant PD 20 and Resistant ED 20. His Total PD is 23 and his Total ED is 30. Why is his Total PD not 26? (6+20=26) I thought it a typo but checked both 5th and 6th ed and its the same so I must be confused. I also assume this means against: Standard attacks: 23/30 when flaming, (26/30 is what I would think it should be) Standard attacks: 6/10 when not flaming. Killing attacks: 20/20 Is this correct? Thanks, Mike

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Dam straight!

Thank you very much.

Hello, I have Champions Powers and Martial Arts 6th Ed. Is there any reason to get Ultimate Brick, Mentalist, Mystic, Ninja, Energy Projector, Speedster, Metamorph or any others I might have missed or does Champions Powers and Martial Arts combine all these under two hoods? I know the Ultimate series is 5th Ed but I also know conversion is relatively easy. I am a bit of a collector and have 4th,5th, and 6th edition stuff but....sometimes I look for justification to spend the $ and find room on the shelves. Thanks, Mike

Ancient post but the reason seems fairly obvious. If something, such as a vacuum or environment which limits flame comes into play the Torch is nothing more than a normal dude with some basic skills. How about a halon attack from a Bat-Halon-Arang? Batman cannot be hampered in such a way. His abilities cover a larger spectrum. The EC is not simply good character conception, it links all the powers to a common source. Dampen that source and the Hero is a Zero. This is a BIG limitation. If Batman was after Torch he would devise attack modes to dampen and defend against flame and that's about all he would need. Remember how he was able to whoop up on Superman, a god, using a green rock to dampen all his powers? Superman's powers are all basically an EC based upon our yellow sun, (at least in some versions), with a EC wide susceptibility to kryptonite. Take away that that susceptibility to his entire suite, (EC), of abilities and he is fairly unstoppable. The Torch on the other hand would need a vast array of tools to counter Batman's array of toys and abilities. Think about PSI Boy, whose powers are all PSI based. Batman tosses Bat-PSI-Null-Arang and oops! PSI Boy is toast. And of course anyone with an EC would find their returning foes leveraging that weakness if at all possible. Lack of Oxygen becomes kryptonite to a EC flame based hero.