Demonsong Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Regeneration that starts slowly? Normal regeneration has an extra time limitation of -1 X BODY per turn. This can be mover down on the time chart at -1/4 per step. But what about Regeneration that just takes a while to get started. Say 20 minutes after the wound was received then normal regeneration starts. So you would you add another disadvantage of -1 ¼ Extra Time to start? Slow Starting Regeneration 1 Body per turn, regrow limbs and organs +1/2 END = 0 +1/2 Persistent -1/2 Self only -1 Extra Time 1 Body per turn -1 ¼ Extra time to start 20 minutes after wound(damage) is received. 15 X 2 = 30 points active 30 / 3.75 = 8 points real cost It looks right to me. But I just wanted to check. Thanks Demonsong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Another option might be a riff on Gradual Effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I think that would be double dipping, getting the extra time twice. If it starts after 20 minutes but has a per turn regen afterwards, the total regen will finish before 1 hour. That implies that the limitation is less limiting than 1 body per 20 minutes, since it would most likely take more than 1 hour to finish regenerating. I would probably guesstimate how much time a "typical" regen would take, and then assign the closest equivalent extra time. In your example, It would probably take about 21-25 minutes for a complete max regen, so that's about 1 body/minute. Total -1.5 limitation, and extra time is taken only once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Buy Regeneration twice. A small Regen that occurs per TURN, and a bigger Regen that occurs every Minute. Or any two different time increments. Of course the point difference between per TURN and per MINUTE is so small its really not point efficient, but if its flavor you are going for..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Anomaly Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Well, when using Gestures, you get a certain level of Limitation if you have Use Gestures Throughout, or half of that if it's Gestrues Only To Start. Perhaps you can do the same thing for a Power with a long initial onset time, but then works every x amount of time after that. Take Regeneration for example: Say you want an 'onset' time of 1 hour (-1 1/2) and then it works as normal (every post-12) after that. Apply half of that Limitation (-3/4) to the Power. Now it takes an hour to start, but then works as usual every post-12, thus becoming: Slow Starting Regeneration 1 Body per turn, regrow limbs and organs +1/2 END = 0 +1/2 Persistent -1/2 Self only -1 Extra Time 1 Body per turn -3/4 Extra time to start 1 hour after wound(damage) is received. Of course you can adjust the Extra Time to Start to fit your own needs; I used 1 hour in my example because that's long enough to be significant and the Limitation for 1 hour splits cleanly in half. How about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dr. A, one hour is normally a -3 limitation. Half of that is -1 1/2. Just being picky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Normally, Delayed Effect is an Advantage. Under these circumstances, however, it's a Disadvantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonsong Posted February 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I think that would be double dipping, getting the extra time twice. That’s why I posted it in the 1st place. It kind of felt wrong The way it’s worked out now what just an example. But let’s go with that. We will also say the we are talking about a character with a body of 20. As written the power will do nothing for 20 minutes then it can max heal him all 20 body in 4 minutes. Or just one -1 ¼ extra time 1 body per minute total healing in 20 minutes and have the possibility of it effecting any long combat. But it cost 4 points more. Hummmmm………… And what about an extreme example. 1 BODY per turn, Regrow limbs and organs, resurrection +1/2 END = 0 +1/2 Persistent -1/2 Self Only -1 Extra Time 1 turn -3 1/4 Extra Time to start 6 Hours 30 X 2 = 70 active points 70 / 5.75 = 12 real points I think my head hurts….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Anomaly Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by Gary Dr. A, one hour is normally a -3 limitation. Half of that is -1 1/2. Just being picky. Gary, 1) You're right; I was attempting to work off memory and not getting it right, and 2) I was starting down the Time Chart from post-12 instead of from "instantly" -- I didn't think it would be right to start counting from anywhere else, as the Power doesn't get any quicker than that. Sorry, I should have explained that in my post. That's what I get for working just out of my head and not putting down all the thought processes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Let's see: Every 20 min is a -2, right? And "Once a Turn" is a -1 1/4? Don't remember and don't feel like looking them up. The exact values aren't important. The thing to do is just pick a value in between based on overall utility. In this case (if I got the Lims right), just call it a -1 1/2 and press on with the game. Remember that often looking for a complex solution that may be more "technically correct" won't really make any difference. As long as the AP and RP are about right, it should be OK. Don't overcomplicate things for no good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by Arthur Let's see: Every 20 min is a -2, right? And "Once a Turn" is a -1 1/4? Don't remember and don't feel like looking them up. The exact values aren't important. The thing to do is just pick a value in between based on overall utility. In this case (if I got the Lims right), just call it a -1 1/2 and press on with the game. Remember that often looking for a complex solution that may be more "technically correct" won't really make any difference. As long as the AP and RP are about right, it should be OK. Don't overcomplicate things for no good reason. Actually, I think the above may be the most technically correct approach. I don't have the book in front of me either, so let's assume your limitations are correct. By the book, a power that takes extra time to activate, but after that works normally (ie no extra time to use again) uses 1/2 the extra time limitation. It would seem reasonable to say the power takes the -1 1/4 "once per turn" limit, then gets half of the 3/4 difference between once a turn and every 20 minutes for the extra activation time. Since rounding is always in the character's favour, the limit "Takes 20 minutes to activate, then acts every turn" would be worth - 1 3/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterdeath Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Continuous Aid to Regeneration, adds modifiers, relatively long fade rate, used primaryly to buy down the "increased time" limitation? Just something that sprung to mind... D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Cost Power END 6 Rapid Healing: Healing (Regeneration) 1 BODY, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (20 Active Points); Extra Time (Regeneration-Only) 20 Minutes (-2), Self Only (-1/2) 11 Extra Time Rapid Healing: Healing (Regeneration) 2 BODY, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (40 Active Points); Extra Time (Regeneration-Only) 1 Hour (-2 1/4), Self Only (-1/2) Powers Cost: 17 5 BODY per Hour, with a little bit every 20 minutes and "accelerated" every hour. Saves about 0 points due to the whacky 5e Regen calc, but if its flavor you are going for, there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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