L. Marcus Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER The liquid is an experimental blood replacement. It's got plenty of oxygen that the mouse actually can use. But that probably doesn't make it much less traumatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Yeah, everyone who's ever seen that image says, "Poor mouse!" I remember seeing that image back around 1980. It's not a recent thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Well, I'm not one of them bleeding hearts who opposes animal experimentation, but I don't like torture for torture's sake. However, if that is that same "breathable liquid" I've heard about and this is from a test or demonstration, I'm not complaining. Of course a better "proof of concept" would be to test it on a death row inmate, but alas, I've heard that is cruel and unusual as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Well, attitudes toward lab animals have evolved over time (as have a lot of attitudes, of course). I think that image dates to about 1970, and it wasn't as ... reprehensible? morally dubious? ... then. Especially since it was done in the spirit of demonstrating a liquid that could dissolve enough oxygen and CO2 that you COULD breathe it, or perhaps use it for a short-term blood substitute. Certainly the mouse must have been very confused, if not downright terrified by the sensations of what must have triggered all its drowning panic reactions. But it did survive the demonstration, and considering the things that lab mice are used for, that isn't a thing one ought to take for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I can totally understand that, but as I've said for years. Better a thousand rats than one human being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER ... There's bunneh, and lemming ... Anyone else ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Bunnies aren't rodents. They're lagomorphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Really? We live and learn ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Lagomorphs differ from rodents in that: * they have four incisors in the upper jaw (not two, as in the Rodentia); * they are almost wholly herbivorous (unlike rodents, many of which will eat both meat and vegetation; the few recorded exceptions within the Lagomorpha occur among members of both Lepus and Ochotona, and involve the occasional foraging for carrion as a supplementary winter food source);[4][5][6] * the male's scrotum is in front of the penis (unlike rodents', which is behind); and * the penis contains no bone (baculum), unlike in rodents. However, they resemble rodents in that their teeth grow throughout their life, thus necessitating constant chewing to keep them from growing too long. From that last follows the insatiable hunger for quickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER ... What about lemmings, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archermoo Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER ... What about lemmings' date=' then? [/quote'] Lemmings are indeed rodents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I mean, gnawing constantly and the need for Quickening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Rodents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER That's what I mean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archermoo Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I mean' date=' gnawing constantly and the need for Quickening? [/quote'] Naw, generally just wood. Edit: Well, that and single malt scotch. But that doesn't require much chewing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Or much in the teeth department at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER On the contrary. You need to show your teeth, at least metaphorical teeth, to keep people from taking your scotch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Ah, that's where the lemming's impressive build come into play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER See? Evolution solves all problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER ... And, time to go off and give the first of two exams today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Break legs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Minds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Hearts, dreams, delusions of brilliance, ... ? Nobody finished the Math Meth exam in the time allotted. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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