fredrik_nilsson Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 In my campaign I indeed to use some of the Golden Age characters in the Champions Universe. Besides what's written below, is anything know about them: American Eagle: Flight powers Black Mask VIII: CK: Chicago, Fringe Benefit: Local Police Powers, PS: Policeman, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Jeffrey Layton Ward) Black Owl: Deep Cover (Lefty LeGrand), Social Limitation: Secret ID (Bill Jeffries) Bulletproof: Bulletproof suit made by Dr. Ping Captain Patriot: See Champions Universe Cobra: Martial Arts: Generic, CK: New York City Dr. Twilight: Social Limitation: Secret ID (Robert MacDonald), CK: Harlem, powers over light and darkness (granted by Osiris), Social Limitation: Harmful Secret (communist connections) Cowboy: Social Limitation: Secret ID ("Kid"Brown), PS: Circus Artist, Trick-shooting Futurian: Rocket-Pack and Electro-Pistol Grey Guardian: CK: San Francisco Lady Mystery: Magic tome (VPP: Magic?), Social Limitation: Secret ID (Abigail Chase) MeteorMan: PS: Scientist, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Harrison Chase), see MeteorMan III in Champions Universe Nightingale: CK: San Francisco, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Leticia Henry), PS: Showgirl Optimus: Money: Well Off, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Drake Wilson) Scarlet Archer: Fringe Benefit: Lower Nobility, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Sir Peter Tanfield), skilled archer Sea Hawk: Social Limitation: Secret ID (Princess Mara), Hunted: Dargon, DNPC: Amy Levesque, DNPC: Navy Lieutenant Barry Colville, Fringe Benefit: Higher Nobility, see older version in Hidden Lands Sgt. Battle: Fringe Benefit: Sergeant, the world's mighiest non-com (what's that?) Streak: Speedster Swashbuckler: ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters These are my guesses: American Eagle: Hawkman homage Black Mask VIII: Phantom homage Black Owl: Batman or Nite Owl (Watchmen) homage Bulletproof: ? Captain Patriot: Superman homage Cobra: The Shadow homage Dr. Twilight: Either a Dr.Fate homage or a Dr. Mid-Nite homage Cowboy: Robin homage Futurian: Rocketeer homage Grey Guardian: Spectre homage Lady Mystery: Inza Nelson (Dr. Fate's wife) homage MeteorMan: Golden age Green Lantern homage Nightingale: Silk Spectre (Watchmen) homage Optimus: Ozymandias (Watchmen) homage Scarlet Archer: Green Arrow homage Sea Hawk: Namor the Sub-Mariner homage Sgt. Battle: Captain America homage Streak: Golden age Flash homage Swashbuckler: ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Are there any more official golden age supers (good and bad)? The Millennium City book has the Spirit homage Mr. X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Are there any more official golden age supers (good and bad)? The Millennium City book has the Spirit homage Mr. X. Did I miss Sturmvogel on the list? I think he's statted out somewhere, maybe in Digital Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Did I miss Sturmvogel on the list? I think he's statted out somewhere' date=' maybe in Digital Hero.[/quote'] I just wrote down the good guys (read, the americans). Totenkopf, Iron Father, Steel Shark, Northwind, and so on all belong to this era. American Eagle (and his sidekick Winger) both have Digital Hero write-ups. don't know if they are offical. Calling American Eagle high-flying in CU seems a bit weird when all he has is a glider. CU doesn't mention Winger or American Eagle II at all. It's not that I don't like'em, but I wouldn't have done them in that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Watts Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Hey Frederik- since most of these characters are from my campaigns, let's see if I can't help you out a bit... [*]American Eagle: Flight powers Yeah. He wears a giant set of wings he got in a mystical land of bird-people. [*]Black Mask VIII: CK: Chicago, Fringe Benefit: Local Police Powers, PS: Policeman, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Jeffrey Layton Ward) Pretty much. Two-fisted pulpy adventurer, good detective-y skills. [*]Black Owl: Deep Cover (Lefty LeGrand), Social Limitation: Secret ID (Bill Jeffries) Yup. Swings around the city on a rope, no powers but a utility belt of gadgets. [*]Bulletproof: Bulletproof suit made by Dr. Ping Until 1944, yes. Outstanding h-t-h combatant- our universe's Wildcat or Atom I. Gets super-indestructibility in 1944- see Galactic Champs for the considerably higher-powered version. [*]Captain Patriot: See Champions Universe [*]Cobra: Martial Arts: Generic, CK: New York City Steve's, so I don't know yet. [*]Dr. Twilight: Social Limitation: Secret ID (Robert MacDonald), CK: Harlem, powers over light and darkness (granted by Osiris), Social Limitation: Harmful Secret (communist connections) Yup. Fairly well-covered in VB. [*]Cowboy: Social Limitation: Secret ID ("Kid"Brown), PS: Circus Artist, Trick-shooting Develops spy skills as he goes along, as well. [*]Futurian: Rocket-Pack and Electro-Pistol [*]Grey Guardian: CK: San Francisco [*]Lady Mystery: Magic tome (VPP: Magic?), Social Limitation: Secret ID (Abigail Chase) Yes. IIRC she did have a Multipower of specific spells, as she mastered them. [*]MeteorMan: PS: Scientist, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Harrison Chase), see MeteorMan III in Champions Universe [*]Nightingale: CK: San Francisco, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Leticia Henry), PS: Showgirl Yup. Our "Black Canary," basically. [*]Optimus: Money: Well Off, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Drake Wilson) Yes. Gobs of PRE and speechifying skills, and also mastery of Pankration. He's a Classicist. [*]Scarlet Archer: Fringe Benefit: Lower Nobility, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Sir Peter Tanfield), skilled archer Does have some lower-tech trick arrows. Also, not American but British. [*]Sea Hawk: Social Limitation: Secret ID (Princess Mara), Hunted: Dargon, DNPC: Amy Levesque, DNPC: Navy Lieutenant Barry Colville, Fringe Benefit: Higher Nobility, see older version in Hidden Lands [*]Sgt. Battle: Fringe Benefit: Sergeant, the world's mighiest non-com (what's that?) A non-commissioned officer (an enlisted man, basically, and proud of it.) "Don't call me 'Sir,' son, I work for a living!" A brick who received his powers the same day Pearl Harbor was invaded. [*]Streak: Speedster [*]Swashbuckler: ? As I recall, a cloaked swordsman fond of fencing, swinging from chandeliers and romancing the ladies. dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Information neatly filed away for my next campaign. Thanks (and rep) to the original poster for compiling the list and Darren for the descriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Hey Frederik- since most of these characters are from my campaigns, let's see if I can't help you out a bit... [*]Black Owl: Deep Cover (Lefty LeGrand), Social Limitation: Secret ID (Bill Jeffries) Yup. Swings around the city on a rope, no powers but a utility belt of gadgets. Him I'd like to know more about, as he comes from my hometown (almost). Sort of a Quaker City Batman, I guess. [*]Cowboy: Social Limitation: Secret ID ("Kid"Brown), PS: Circus Artist, Trick-shooting Develops spy skills as he goes along, as well. I always figured him for a Vigilante trib. [*]Nightingale: CK: San Francisco, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Leticia Henry), PS: Showgirl Yup. Our "Black Canary," basically. Does she have the same fashion sense? And if so, then can we count on seeing a picture of her in Golden Age Champions when it gets published? [*]Optimus: Money: Well Off, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Drake Wilson) Yes. Gobs of PRE and speechifying skills, and also mastery of Pankration. He's a Classicist. To me, he just screams 'Mister Terriffic'. That's the vibe I'm getting, anyway. [*]Sgt. Battle: Fringe Benefit: Sergeant, the world's mighiest non-com (what's that?) A non-commissioned officer (an enlisted man, basically, and proud of it.) "Don't call me 'Sir,' son, I work for a living!" A brick who received his powers the same day Pearl Harbor was invaded. Great minds think alike! I always saw him as a brick -- indeed, I was considering that he'd survived into the present-day (got Life Support:Longevity along with everything else) and went on to a long career as an official US Army hero/officer in charge of superhuman soldiers. [*]Streak: Speedster Didn't he have three or four 'legacies' following him? I was considering having a Streak show up in the 70's who got his powers from experimental drugs as part of campaign backstory at one point. He wound up calling himself the Speed Freak. (Then he got killed by the Iron Agey psycho vigilante. Kinda sad, really.) But thanks for all the info on these characters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters A Golden Age character named "Optimus?" I'm not seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Didn't he have three or four 'legacies' following him? Streak II was a founding member of the Fab Five. I don't believe there were any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters A Golden Age character named "Optimus?" I'm not seeing it. Optimus, the Optimal Man? I could see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Watts Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters I disagree, obviously. Classical cultures were big providers of character backgrounds in the GA, even if they were sometimes a little sketchy on the exact details- look at Hawkman (Egypt) and Captain Marvel (a hopeless melange of history and myth.) The player who played him originally certainly had in mind a "what if Ozymandias hadn't gone bad"-type character, but I don't think it's particularly out of place. dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Watts Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Streak II was a founding member of the Fab Five. I don't believe there were any others. Yeah, the second Streak was a pretty big deal, so so far nobody's taken on the mantle to be a third. Yet, anyways... dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Optimus' date=' the Optimal Man? I could see it.[/quote'] Sounds more Silver Age to me. *shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Sounds more Silver Age to me. *shrug* Golden Age had immense variety. What we read nowadays are the survivors. If you do some google searching and survey all the golden age comic covers in old Overstreet price guides, I think you will see that Optimus is not out of place for a name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Golden Age had immense variety. What we read nowadays are the survivors. If you do some google searching and survey all the golden age comic covers in old Overstreet price guides' date=' I think you will see that Optimus is not out of place for a name.[/quote'] I've got a fair share of obscure GA sources. Still sounds off to me. Not really worth posting any more about, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werehawk Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Hey Frederik- since most of these characters are from my campaigns, let's see if I can't help you out a bit... [*]American Eagle: Flight powers Yeah. He wears a giant set of wings he got in a mystical land of bird-people. He seems to lean more towards Timely's Red Raven than Hawkman since his powers and origin are almost identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Hey Frederik- since most of these characters are from my campaigns' date=' let's see if I can't help you out a bit...[/quote'] Thanks for the help Darren. If I have understood this correctly some of these heroes will be a part of your next book. May I ask which of the good guys (and the bad guys) that will make it into the book? I would be very glad if you could also add the character point, so that I get an idea of what to expect. [*]American Eagle: Flight powers Yeah. He wears a giant set of wings he got in a mystical land of bird-people. Those he have any more powers besides this, or is he a weapon master like Hawkman? Is there anything more of interest known about him, like the secret idea (name and profession). [*]Black Owl: Deep Cover (Lefty LeGrand), Social Limitation: Secret ID (Bill Jeffries) Yup. Swings around the city on a rope, no powers but a utility belt of gadgets. Those he have any more equipment of interest, like vehicles? [*]Bulletproof: Bulletproof suit made by Dr. Ping Until 1944, yes. Outstanding h-t-h combatant- our universe's Wildcat or Atom I. Gets super-indestructibility in 1944- see Galactic Champs for the considerably higher-powered version. Is his secret ID known (name, profession)? [*]Dr. Twilight: Social Limitation: Secret ID (Robert MacDonald), CK: Harlem, powers over light and darkness (granted by Osiris), Social Limitation: Harmful Secret (communist connections) Yup. Fairly well-covered in VB. I don't have Vibora Bay yet. Is he Dr. Ka? [*]Cowboy: Social Limitation: Secret ID ("Kid"Brown), PS: Circus Artist, Trick-shooting Develops spy skills as he goes along, as well. What is his real name? [*]Nightingale: CK: San Francisco, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Leticia Henry), PS: Showgirl Yup. Our "Black Canary," basically. It would be interesting to see her be built with the gymnastics martial art from Digital Hero. That martial art is cool, and it would be fun to see used in one of your books. [*]Optimus: Money: Well Off, Social Limitation: Secret ID (Drake Wilson) Yes. Gobs of PRE and speechifying skills, and also mastery of Pankration. He's a Classicist. Ozymandias has some stuff with an Egyptian theme, like the base Karnak. Does Optimus have anything similar? [*]Sgt. Battle: Fringe Benefit: Sergeant, the world's mighiest non-com (what's that?) A non-commissioned officer (an enlisted man, basically, and proud of it.) "Don't call me 'Sir,' son, I work for a living!" A brick who received his powers the same day Pearl Harbor was invaded. What is his real name? [*]Streak: Speedster What is his secret ID (name, profession)? As for powers, how similar are they to Kinetik or Streak II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Out of curiosity, and before I go digging through the books myself, has anyone put together a similar list of CU Golden Age villains? The next campaign I'm running deals with generations of supers and the legacy of power, and making the legacy something that runs on both sides of the law is a very useful thematic angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Out of curiosity' date=' and before I go digging through the books myself, has anyone put together a similar list of CU Golden Age villains? The next campaign I'm running deals with generations of supers and the legacy of power, and making the legacy something that runs on both sides of the law is a very useful thematic angle.[/quote'] As far as I know, this thread is the closest thing to what you're searching for. When we're done, I can make a PDF of this that the Hero Games guys can post in the Free Stuff section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters The Champions Universe History 1929 Black Mask VIII, hero 1932 Jimmy Tompion, hero Mid-1930s Cobra, hero Futurian, hero Grey Guardian, hero 1936 Black Owl, hero 1937 Sea Hawk, hero Dargon, villain Nereus, villain 1938 Der Totenkopf,villain Sturmvogel, villain Captain Patriot, hero Dr. Twilight, hero MeteorMan, hero Tasho, villain Donner,villain Optimus, hero Cowboy (later called Liberator), hero Nighingale, hero The Sirians, villains 1939 Liquidator, villain Sub Zero, villain Mink, villain The Black Legion, villains Iron Father, villain 1940 Lady Mystery, hero Scarlet Archer, hero The Society Of Evil, villains 1941 Arlequin, villain Loge, villain Moorbrand, villain Northwind, villain General Winter, hero Lady Lightning, hero Steel Shark, villain The Dragon-Riders, villains The Streak, hero American Eagle, hero Sergeant Battle, hero Swashbuckler, hero Bulletproof, hero Tsunami, villain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fredrik_nilsson again. Take a "You Effin' Rock!" Point instead. Thanks kindly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters Thanks kindly. I'm glad that I could be of help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrik_nilsson Posted October 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters List of abbreviations * = The characters has official stats AA = Arcane Adversaries CKC = Write-up is published in Conquerors, Killers & Crooks CU = Champions Universe DHxx = Digital Hero #xx GC = Galactic Champions GBG = The Genre By Genre Document (or 5ER) HL = Hidden Lands MC = Millennium City MW = The Mystic World VB = Vibora Bay Defenders of Justice These characters found the team in 1938 Cowboy/"Kid"Brown (CU): Trick-shooter at Funtime Family Circus, bounty hunter Dr. Twilight/Robert MacDonald (CU, VB*): Powers over light and darkness,lives in Harlem Optimus/Drake Wilson (CU): Millionaire playboy, Pankration master, Classicist Sea Hawk/Princess Mara (HL*): Atlantean exile, patrols the coast of New England Defenders of Justice - Additions These characters becomes members in the year 1939 Captain Patriot/Don Randall (CU*): Brick, lives in Haynesville MeteorMan/Harrison Chase (CU): Scientist, has ring made from meteor stone Defenders of Justice - Reserves These independent heroes becomes memebers during WWII American Eagle (CU): Wears gigantic wings recieved in a land of bird-people Bulletproof/Max Wroblewski (GC*): Brooklyn, boxer, bulletproof suit Lady Mystery/Abigail Chase (CU): Has a magic tome, MeteorMan's wife Nightingale/Leticia Henry (CU): San Francisco, former showgirl Scarlet Archer/Sir Peter Tanfield (CU): Brittish, skilled archer Sergeant Battle (CU): The world's mighiest non-com, brick Streak (CU): Speedster Swashbuckler (CU): Cloaked swordsman Independant Heroes Black Mask VIII/Jeffrey Layton Ward (CU): Legacy hero, patrols Chicago Black Owl/Bill Jeffries (CU): Dark avenger, Philadelphia, undercover as Lefty LeGrand Cobra (CU): New York, martial artist Futurian (CU): Fights crime with his rocket-pack and his electro-Pistol Grey Guardian (CU): San Francisco Ubermensch Supers fighting for the Axis Der Totenkopf/Erik Hessler (CU): Talisman's and Witchcraft's mother Steel Shark/Phorcys (CU): Atlantean warrior Independant Villains Black Legion (CU): Bundist spy ring Liquidator (CU): American Mink (CU): American Sub Zero (CU): American Society Of Evil (CU): American's most powerful criminals The Military World See also Captain Patriot and Sergeant Battle. Barry Colville (CU): Navy Lieutenant, friend of Sea Hawk The Scientific World See also MeteorMan. Dr. How-Yang Ping (GC): Chinese-American scientist, Bulletproof's friend Normals Amy Levesque (CU): Wheelchair-bound orphan, friend of Sea Hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellS Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Re: Golden Age Characters I don't think this one is correct: Der Totenkopf/Erik Hessler (CU): Talisman's and Witchcraft's mother Other then that this is another great list from you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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