JmOz Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Not vs LS: Self contained breathing, or appropriate immunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Chaos Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 sounds a lot like an NND attack, I would price it accordingly. I really need to bring my book to work. I have way to much inbetween time during compiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTemplar Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted June 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Essentialy the idea is that it works against the normal defence PLUS a NND stop condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I think JmOz is saying that this isn't an NND attack, and that these defenses would completely negate the attack in addition to the target applying whatever the usual defense was. If I'm right in that assessment, I'd give -1/4 for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Chaos Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I guessed that; I just wasn't clear in my reply. Strange logic flow was my main issue. I based my response on the fact NND basically mirrors Limited Power in it's cost. It's effectivly the reverse of Power Only Affects those with this fairly common situation. This is a Power has the Doesn't work in X Situation aspect while still retaining normal defenses. How many people in your world have some for of self contained breathing or the appropriate immunity. If it's fairly common I would go with -1 to -3/4 may be appropriate. If it's pretty uncommon but still around in a fair number I would say -1/2. if it's not all that common for people to have those defenses then -1/4 sounds about right. Also keep in mind I'm doing this sans books and the only numbers that come to mind right now are how many copies of Windows Server Cal Licenses we have on hand vs how many we need. I'm probably still not being clear but looking at software licenses all day every day has altered my logic flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I agree with basing this Lim on frequency of the appropriate defense within the campaign, but I wouldn't go above -1/2 unless large numbers of people have these defenses. My TML entries for this type of effect (under "Limited Targetting") run from -1/4 to -1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 You'll also need to decide in advance if similar special effects can negate the attack. For example, my MA Zl'f has LS: Extended Breathing: 1 END/Turn, which with her END and STUN means she can hold her breath for over 12 minutes. Would holding your breath negate the attack? If so, then it's probably worth more as a Limitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 A big part of how much this lim is worth is going to be based on how common LS: breathing self contained or need not breath is in your campaign. The more common the more its worth. I would think something like this might be in order: Rare (-0), SFX says no Uncommon (-1/4) Common (-1/2) Very Common (-1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmerged Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Originally posted by D-Man A big part of how much this lim is worth is going to be based on how common LS: breathing self contained or need not breath is in your campaign. The more common the more its worth. I would think something like this might be in order: Rare (-0), SFX says no Uncommon (-1/4) Common (-1/2) Very Common (-1) Ye ditto. Self Contained Breathing is going to be a lot more common in a space-heavy campaign, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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