Thirdbase Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Old Man From what I understand, studded leather is much better at preventing road rash when you fall off your motorcycle. What about falling off your horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Lorica segmentata (or the Loricus Segmentum, if you want to be picky) is what is generally referred to as articulated plate. After all "plate" armour normally had the abdomen composed of several segments too - otherwise your torso was entirely immobilised. Likewise, although people think of the classic heavy infantryman's armour from the Hadrianic period as "lorica segmentata" (because Hadrian left us a lot of carvings showing it) writers used the plural "Lorica segmentata" for a reason - this name covered different types of armour, some of which were in fact solid breastplates of the type which survived the Camillian reforms, others of which appear to be what we would call Lamellar or Scale today. It just means "armour made from individual pieces" and was probbaly found in a thousand different variants. While the Romans were very precise in their language for things they really cared about (How many other languages have a word for "killed every tenth person"?) they appear to have given liitle though to the needs of 20th-21st century gamers for concise terminology There's no reference or meaning of welding, anywhere - the classic lorica segmentata appears to have been held together with leather straps and little metal hooks and eyes: much like 15th century plate armour. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herolover Posted August 1, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Vanguard00 Good call. As an aside, I would think it would be a little more to repair studded leather as it's slightly more "intricate" (in the loosest sense of the word) than it's "plain" counterpart. Personally, I don't allow studded leather in my games. No historical reasons or even compelling logic for including it Just my too sense... I am also considering taking your stance and just getting rid of it. Would make it much easier. Have to do some more thinking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Vanguard00 Good call. As an aside, I would think it would be a little more to repair studded leather as it's slightly more "intricate" (in the loosest sense of the word) than it's "plain" counterpart. Personally, I don't allow studded leather in my games. No historical reasons or even compelling logic for including it Just my too sense... Historical reasons I can't give, but I would think the studs would give a little more protection from slashing and glancing attacks. My tuppence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Thirdbase What about falling off your horse? You ride your horse at a full gallop on asphalt? Isn't that animal cruelty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard00 Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by Black Rose Historical reasons I can't give, but I would think the studs would give a little more protection from slashing and glancing attacks. My tuppence. Well, yeah, I could probably come up with a good reason for leather to be studded. I just couldn't come up with a good reason to include studded leather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPheemy Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 I'm just impressed that Steve found an opportunity to use the word "Granularity". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgo Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 What about adding +1 DEF on a activation roll of 8- for studded variants of leather armors, for those that like it regardless of historical accuracy? After all, lots of things in the fantasy genre are not historically accurate. ...Before Martin Luther can nail his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church and start the Reformation he is struck with a Magic Missile? Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Studs & Rings If we grant the existence of studded leather, then I think it should obviously give more defense than the same kind of leather without metal studs - if only for internal consistency. Ring mail gives +2 defense over plain leather of the same type. What is ring mail? It's just leather covered with close-set metal rings. This establishes that adding metal to leather can increase its defensive value. If, by adding enough metal, one can increase armor's defensive value by +2, then there should be some lesser level of metal enhancement that would increase the armor's defensive value by +1. I would call this studded leather, since that is the traditional terminology for armor of that defensive value in fantasy RPGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Originally posted by torgo What about adding +1 DEF on a activation roll of 8- for studded variants of leather armors, for those that like it regardless of historical accuracy? After all, lots of things in the fantasy genre are not historically accurate. If it weren't for the increased complexity, I'd say add +1 DEF, only against slashing (and other "indirect"-type) attacks. This would cover sabres, certain knifefighting styles, and the occasional rolling fall. ...Before Martin Luther can nail his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church and start the Reformation he is struck with a Magic Missile? Huh? Nah, nah, you misread it. In actuality, Martin Luther was struck with a Magic Missal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Re: Studs & Rings Originally posted by Roland If we grant the existence of studded leather, then I think it should obviously give more defense than the same kind of leather without metal studs - if only for internal consistency. Ring mail gives +2 defense over plain leather of the same type. What is ring mail? It's just leather covered with close-set metal rings. This establishes that adding metal to leather can increase its defensive value. If, by adding enough metal, one can increase armor's defensive value by +2, then there should be some lesser level of metal enhancement that would increase the armor's defensive value by +1. I would call this studded leather, since that is the traditional terminology for armor of that defensive value in fantasy RPGs. It would have to be pretty heavy studding; none of that two or three inch spacing you see on some illustrations (which I think is a misviewing of some kind of quilted armor). I've seen the rings they use, and they are thick and frequent. Still, if one views +1 DEF as a doubling of defensive power, it would make sense. And I really like the "add-on"-ness of it; there's something about all the layers of concept that appeals to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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