Shiva13 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Wouldn't it be in the best interests of Hero Games to either dual stat or release M&M versions of the Champions setting and villains books? To my mind, it would serve to increase the audience significantly. And since Blackwyrm Games has already done such, the success of it is pretty easy for Hero to gain knowledge of. There are a lot of M&M players who were old Champions players who still have a great love for the classic characters and organizations. This seems to me a market that it would be very much in the interest of hero Games to exploit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! I think it would be a great idea for Green Ronin to approach Hero Games about, but I think it would be better done out of house. Cheers QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVeira Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! Only if Green Ronin publishes Freedom City with HERO stats, so I can stop converting the characters all by myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva13 Posted February 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! I think it would be a great idea for Green Ronin to approach Hero Games about, but I think it would be better done out of house. Cheers QM Honestly? Hero has the resources and capability to do it totally in house. Which would considerably cut down on the production time. Because people already working for Hero Games are already intimately familiar with M&M. Which makes that part of the production neat and tidy for Hero Games, For the Superlink License, the only time Green Ronin needs to be involved is for the final approval stage. So that they make sure that the terms of the M&M Superlink license are complied with. Anything else is just unnecessarily adding complexity to the equasion. The point would be to get it done and out the door as fast as humanly possible. So Hero could start raking in the green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! They can't just "do it in house" - they would need to enter a license with Green Ronin to use their system. And for the record, no it's not a good idea IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva13 Posted February 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! The license is free. All Hero would have to do is send a PDF of the finished book to Green Ronin for approval. Green Ronin sends them back an approval and a graphic of the superlink Logo to put on the cover. That's the sum total of the process. And they have a pretty fast turnaround for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! I'd much rather see M&M put out all their stuff in Hero stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! I'd much rather see M&M put out all their stuff in Hero stats. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! Honestly? Hero has the resources and capability to do it totally in house. Which would considerably cut down on the production time. Because people already working for Hero Games are already intimately familiar with M&M. I believe that the Atomic Think Tank Forums already has Threads dedicated to adapting/converting Champion to Mutants and Masterminds. Which makes that part of the production neat and tidy for Hero Games' date='[/quote'] To whom they may end up having legal responsibilities to. For the Superlink License' date=' the only time Green Ronin needs to be involved is for the final approval stage. So that they make sure that the terms of the M&M Superlink license are complied with. [/quote'] I will take your word for it. Anything else is just unnecessarily adding complexity to the equation. Ask Darren and Steve about that one. The point would be to get it done and out the door as fast as humanly possible. So Hero could start raking in the green. Easy to say, harder to do. Good luck with this QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkmanDan Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! "Hey, I got a great idea! You know that other company that is our only real competition for the superhero RPG genre? Let's support them and help out their business!" Um, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVeira Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! I'd much rather see M&M put out all their stuff in Hero stats. Repped. I like the way you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! Only if Green Ronin publishes Freedom City with HERO stats' date=' so I can stop converting the characters all by myself.[/quote'] Say, SAV, have you ever seen this? http://members.aol.com/talonstudio/freedomcity/fchero.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roter Baron Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! "Hey, I got a great idea! You know that other company that is our only real competition for the superhero RPG genre? Let's support them and help out their business!" Um, no. Using the force I can sense wisdom in these words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVeira Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! Say' date=' SAV, have you ever seen this? http://members.aol.com/talonstudio/freedomcity/fchero.html[/quote'] Yet, used as my starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Re: A question that has GOT to be asked! Honestly? Hero has the resources and capability to do it totally in house. Which would considerably cut down on the production time. Because people already working for Hero Games are already intimately familiar with M&M. Which makes that part of the production neat and tidy for Hero Games, For the Superlink License, the only time Green Ronin needs to be involved is for the final approval stage. So that they make sure that the terms of the M&M Superlink license are complied with. Anything else is just unnecessarily adding complexity to the equasion. The point would be to get it done and out the door as fast as humanly possible. So Hero could start raking in the green. Well, I think that may be an oversimplification. First, I'm not sure that "people already working for Hero Games are already intimately familiar with M&M," at least to the degree that they would be comfortable writing their original characters in that system. If they couldn't do it in house they'd have to hire someone to convert characters, which would be extra expense. Even if Steve and Darren did feel up to it, they've both mentioned that Hero has a pretty tight production schedule. Their budget is predicated on X number of books coming out at regular intervals, so the income from those books can cover their expenses. Adding M&M stats will greatly slow down production. That would be worth it only if we can safely assume that large numbers of M&M fans, who have presumably already invested in Green Ronin's house setting, would also be interested in taking up the Champions Universe material. That's a rather risky assumption to make. Dual-statting would also be a risky move, since the resulting books would be larger and pricier, which might put off potential buyers. OTOH a second M&M edition would mean paying for a second entire print run, and if it's a different design/length the printers charge as if it were an entirely new book, rather than a reprint of an existing book which is cheaper. Comparing Hero Games to Black Wyrm Games may be misleading. All of the folks at Black Wyrm have other jobs, and don't have to rely on income from their games to keep solvent. So, they can afford to take their time and have their books done whenever they get done. Please note that I'm not dismissing your suggestion as not worth considering. It's just that when you weigh all the factors, it's not an obvious thing that this tactic would be good for Hero Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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