Does Knockdown sans Damage

[FreeDice]

Let's say I wanted to be able to knock people down in a Heroic game (down, not back), but without the need to do lots of damage. A "Presence Attack" trick or a some form of Air Magic.

 

I'm assuming I'd build it with Telekinesis, but I don't have HSMA yet, so I don't know if there are any throw at a distance rules I'm not thinking of.

[Escafarc]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

Teleport 1m Usable as Attack with the Postion Change Adder?

[Susano]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

You could buy TK with "Only To Throw People To Throw Ground" (-2)

[Xavier Onassiss]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

...or a Transformation attack: Standing person into prone person.

[Nolgroth]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

Naked Advantage Does Knockdown (+1/4) on up to 20 points of Presence Attack: 5 Active Points. Adjust the 20 points and Active Points as appropriate.

 

For flavor;

Must achieve Pre +10 (-1/2)

Must achieve Pre +20 (-1)

[SirViss]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

Is this supposed to guarantee Knockdown? Else you could just do it with Change Environment [Dex -4] or something similar.

[ghost-angel]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

Change Environment or a Attack with "Knockdown Only" Limitation.

[prestidigitator]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

I'd probably do it using the limited TK (essentially Grab only plus optional Slam) or Change Environment requiring something like a Breakfall or Acrobatics roll, myself.

[JmOz]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

I think it is important to the discussion that this ability should theroreticaly not cost more than 3 points (The cost of Martial Throw, that does this effect Plus cause damage based on movement and Str)

[prestidigitator]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

I think it is important to the discussion that this ability should theroreticaly not cost more than 3 points (The cost of Martial Throw' date=' that does this effect Plus cause damage based on movement and Str)[/quote']

 

From the OP I was assuming this is supposed to be at range. If not, you can do it for 0 points: Grab+Slam (or just manipulate them gently to the ground through the Grab if you don't want to add the Str damage from Slam). Done.

[Hugh Neilson]

Re: Does Knockdown sans Damage

 

The Trip maneuver (non-martial) in 6e can toss a target to the ground. While I have some sympathy to the Martial Throw argument, you can't just buy the Throw as you are required to have a minimum 10 points of martial maneuvers, which renders the comparison a touch more complex. Also, I forget the OCV/DCV mod's for a Martial Throw - how significant are those?

 

I wonder if some levels with Trip might do the job (perhaps coupled with TK only to use Trip at range if range is desired).