indy523

Steve 
 
As a devout Catholic I'd have no problem with the inclusion of Angels and Devils in the book.  There already is in theatre, film and TV a great number of fantasy shows dedicated to this topic such as Lucifer (TV show), Supernatural (TV Show), Midnight (TV show), The Fallen (movie) Ghost (movie), various works of Esther Friesner (books) and those are just the ones I can come up with off the top of my head in five seconds.  There are latterly 100's more.  Somehow Tinseltown, the Networks, Netflix and the publishing houses manage to make a pretty good living selling people stories on just this subject.  There are even some stories that are based on Jewish mythology and not Christian out there.  I don't see why people who make their own story in a gaming system have to be somehow treated differently other than Gaming companies don't have as much money for lawyers as Networks do I guess.  I'd actually love to see rules and discussion on this genre whether it is in the mythology book or not.
 
I have watched and read a lot of these stories and it seems that the good ones follow a certain theme.
 
1) God is absentee from the story line.
 
Why) First off being omnipotent and omniscient there would be no conflict.  God can you fix this, finger snap, Yes I can!  Second and more important having God say stuff is very close to giving lectures on what God thinks which could influence the viewer and or offend if they believe God would do something else.  So God is this mystery being no one sees in the story who leaves Easter eggs for the character to find and figure out on their own as the only communication form Him or Her depending on how Woke you are these days.
 
2) Religion, faction or creed are usually never mentioned or shown except in the case of films like the exorcist where the Catholics are the only religion that still has people that do that thing.  To the extent it is, there is never attempts in the story at proselytizing.

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Why) Kind of obvious.  The more elusive what religion or religious system is in play the more it will tend to include anyone who is a believer even non Christians.
 
3)  The "Angels" or their other religious counterparts such as Buddhist Bodhisattva are always troubled and don't quite know what it is they should do and many times are the de facto Villains of the story. 
 
Why) It helps if those on the side of Good have to struggle to know what is right.  IF the Angels all know the right solution to every conflict they can just tell the mortals what to do and be done with it and that does not make for a good story.
 
4)  There is usually always one demon that attempts to reform himself or herself even if it is too late.
 
Why) It makes for better story if the not all the bad guys are thoroughly evil.  This creates complex problems the good guys have to solve.
 
5)  The macguffin in plots related to sin are always things not in dispute such as murder and do not touch on political topics such as the abortion debate for instance.  No attempt is made to speak on these subjects one way or another.  Sin is never something shown in a way that is judgmental of religious beliefs.
 
Why)  Obvious I think but important to remember because you have to make sure others cannot view things in that regard.  Things judged as Sin have to be things that people universally see as wrong.  For instance manbuns. 
 
I think that any book on this subject would probably have to have those rules in mind and directions on how to implement them in order to avoid people seeing it as  trying to offend.  To those that will be offended because D&D is evil well, they aren't your target audience anyways.
 
Still I understand your reluctance.
Cheers
Indy
 

Steve 
 
As a devout Catholic I'd have no problem with the inclusion of Angels and Devils in the book.  There already is in theatre, film and TV a great number of fantasy shows dedicated to this topic such as Lucifer (TV show), Supernatural (TV Show), Midnight (TV show), The Fallen (movie) Ghost (movie), various works of Esther Friesner (books) and those are just the ones I can come up with off the top of my head in five seconds.  There are latterly 100's more.  Somehow Tinseltown, the Networks, Netflix and the publishing houses manage to make a pretty good living selling people stories on just this subject.  There are even some stories that are based on Jewish mythology and not Christian out there.  I don't see why people who make their own story in a gaming system have to be somehow treated differently other than Gaming companies don't have as much money for lawyers as Networks do I guess.  I'd actually love to see rules and discussion on this genre whether it is in the mythology book or not.
 
I have watched and read a lot of these stories and it seems that the good ones follow a certain theme.
 
1) God is absentee from the story line.
 
Why) First off being omnipotent and omniscient there would be no conflict.  God can you fix this, finger snap, Yes I can!  Second and more important having God say stuff is very close to giving lectures on what God thinks which could influence the viewer and or offend if they believe God would do something else.  So God is this mystery being no one sees in the story who leaves Easter eggs for the character to find and figure out on their own as the only communication form Him or Her depending on how Woke you are these days.
 
2) Religion, faction or creed are usually never mentioned or shown except in the case of films like the exorcist where the Catholics are the only religion that still has people that do that thing.  To the extent it is, there is never attempts in the story at proselytizing.

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Why) Kind of obvious.  The more elusive what religion or religious system is in play the more it will tend to include anyone who is a believer even non Christians.
 
3)  The "Angels" or their other religious counterparts such as Buddhist Bodhisattva are always troubled and don't quite know what it is they should do and many times are the de facto Villains of the story. 
 
Why) It helps if those on the side of Good have to struggle to know what is right.  IF the Angels all know the right solution to every conflict they can just tell the mortals what to do and be done with it and that does not make for a good story.
 
4)  There is usually always one demon that attempts to reform himself or herself even if it is too late.
 
Why) It makes for better story if the not all the bad guys are thoroughly evil.  This creates complex problems the good guys have to solve.
 
5)  The macguffin in plots related to sin are always things not in dispute such as murder and do not touch on political topics such as the abortion debate for instance.  No attempt is made to speak on these subjects one way or another.  Sin is never something shown in a way that is judgmental of religious beliefs.
 
Why)  Obvious I think but important to remember because you have to make sure others cannot view things in that regard.  Things judged as Sin have to be things that people universally see as wrong.  For instance manbuns. 
 
I think that any book on this subject would probably have to have those rules in mind and directions on how to implement them in order to avoid people seeing it as  trying to offend.  To those that will be offended because D&D is evil well, they aren't your target audience anyways.
 
Still I understand your reluctance.
Cheers
Indy
 

These are all great suggestions but don't forget mud baths do wonder for the skin of elderly ladies foliating their pores and such so you can have the mud bath add one to five levels of striking appearance (beuty) and even ugliness as well (form the smell if you like)

These are all great suggestions but don't forget mud baths do wonder for the skin of elderly ladies foliating their pores and such so you can have the mud bath add one to five levels of striking appearance (beuty) and even ugliness as well (form the smell if you like)

Ok so essentially I have a power with a time limit that is set for up to five minutes let's say and has an RSR that is one minute plus one minute per extra point 5 minute max which is whatever the book says it is not important for the discussion.
 
I want to limit the number of uses based on time so you can use whenever you want in an area or on a person but can't reuse it for let's say one hour.
 
The only way I can thing of this is buy Damage over Time at +1A then don't buy any extra uses (so only one use) and then buy it with a -2 to the calculation every hour.
This is a -1L which the rules might require I make it a +1/4A minimum (can't remember).
 
In that case since the point is not to have multiple uses of the power but to limit its use on any one area (let's say its an AOE) to no more than once an hour even though it lasts no more than five minutes I will house rule the limitation can be applied as normal.
 
Other than that is this legal and if not is there another way that one could do this?  Not sure.

I would say that you are building a hero/villain group with various resources.
 
This will entail two things that you have to buy.
 
The first is a base of operations which would be the country, corporation, government r criminal underground that the ninjas represent.  There might be one base or several and there might be vehicles as well.  All of that would be purchased using the +5 2x multiple to get the numbers you want.  This gives the number of safe houses, hideaways, false store fronts, secret training bases, governmental buildings etc. that the organization controls as well as the number of vehicles that they have access to.
 
The next thing to buy is a group of followers again using the 2x +5 point metric to buy the number you need.  These are all the leaders, ninja soldiers, recruiters, face men, bureaucrats, criminal earners etc. that make up the organization. 
 
In both cases you don't have to define each element of either one just the total number.  I would link the base to the followers to indicate they run the group.
 
You should also then buy several perks for the ninja group including licenses and authoritative powers, contacts, favors and money.  This will define your ninja group and give your players, once they research it, how many facets have to be undone in order to defeat it eventually.
 
Good Luck with the Insurgency! 

Ok so essentially I have a power with a time limit that is set for up to five minutes let's say and has an RSR that is one minute plus one minute per extra point 5 minute max which is whatever the book says it is not important for the discussion.
 
I want to limit the number of uses based on time so you can use whenever you want in an area or on a person but can't reuse it for let's say one hour.
 
The only way I can thing of this is buy Damage over Time at +1A then don't buy any extra uses (so only one use) and then buy it with a -2 to the calculation every hour.
This is a -1L which the rules might require I make it a +1/4A minimum (can't remember).
 
In that case since the point is not to have multiple uses of the power but to limit its use on any one area (let's say its an AOE) to no more than once an hour even though it lasts no more than five minutes I will house rule the limitation can be applied as normal.
 
Other than that is this legal and if not is there another way that one could do this?  Not sure.

Can't be sure, because I am lack confidence in how much I know about the HERO System, but maybe just have them use the Multiple Attack maneuver when they want to grab (attack one) and bite (attack two). Both would be at -2, but i would think 2 Penalty Skill Levels specifically for covering that would make it work?

Hi
 
What I would like to see are the "limits"to Godly powers due to agreement of the
gods or other things.  For insance if a God goes to earth his Avatar is much more limited and not omnipotent as he might be in the dimension that is the Realm of the Gods, O;y,pus, Asgard erc.
 
Also I'd ;ike the rules to cover sons of deities uncovering their powers.
 
Certain powers can be used but not for certain effects.  For instane Zues cannot just hit Persues with a lightning bolt from heaven and kill him but can give limited magic items to his enemies, etc.