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Re: Mongol Ninjas! Every man carried a (small ) wicker shield covered in thick leather while on his left side hung two bows, one for long range and one for shorter range, and on his right side at least two quivers containing a minimum of sixty arrows (cartons of arrows were available in reserve; kept and distributed by in-ranks armorers assigned to that task). A lasso hung from his saddle and a dagger (‘kris' ) was strapped to the inside of his forearm. Apart from these, the light cavalrymen carried a short sword and two or three javelins, and the heavy cavalryman carried a (single edged, slightly curved) scimitar, a battle ax or mace, and a twelve foot lance with a horse-hair pennant and hook below the blade. In their saddlebags they carried a change of clothing, a cooking pot, field rations, which were usually yoghurt, millet, dried meat and 'kumiz' (fermented mare's milk), a leather water bottle, a fishing line, files for sharpening arrows, a needle and thread and other tools for repairing equipment. Not only was the saddlebag waterproof, it could also be inflated to act as a crude life jacket for fording rivers. The bow was easily the Mongol’s most important weapon. The mediaeval English longbow had a pull of seventy five pounds and a range of up to two hundred and fifty yards, but the smaller, reflex composite bows used by the Mongols had a pull of between a hundred and a hundred sixty pounds and a range of over three hundred fifty yards. The Mongol bow was made from layers of horn and sinew on a wooden frame and covered with waterproof lacquer. Unstrung it was shaped like three quarters of a circle, but when strung the outer curve of the circle bent towards its center to form the front of the bow, making a double curve with the 'ears' at either end bending away from the archer. (The composite bow was usually left in a 'strung' position, since this improves its strength rather than weakening it, whereas a constantly strung position does tend to weaken any other kind of bow.) The layer nearest the archer (inside bow) was horn and the layer furthest from him (outside bow) was sinew. The string was more taut than on a longbow and when it was released the horn would snap back to it's original shape and the stretched sinew would contract, shooting the arrow faster and with more power than a bow made of wood. The velocity was further increased by the difficult technique known as the Mongolian thumb block: the string was drawn back by a stone ring on the right thumb which released it more suddenly than the fingers (* 'Thumb ring' - protects fingers from flaying, improves control of release-moment and therefore accuracy). In his quivers a soldier carried arrows for every purpose: long range arrows and short range arrows, Three foot armour piercing arrows with (*iron) tips that had been hardened by being plunged into salt water when they were red-hot, whistling arrows for signaling and identifying targets, incendiary arrows and arrows tipped with tiny grenades. He could bend and string his bow in the saddle by placing one end between his foot and the stirrup and he could shoot in any direction at full gallop, carefully timing his release to come between the paces of his horse, so that his aim would not be deflected as the hooves pounded the ground. - THE DEVIL’S HORSEMEN, James Chambers, p.p. 55 - 57 ...cannon and the fundamentals of modern military method came to Europe with the Mongols. -The Outline of History, H. G. Wells, p. 816

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Every man carried a (small ) wicker shield covered in thick leather while on his left side hung two bows, one for long range and one for shorter range, and on his right side at least two quivers containing a minimum of sixty arrows (cartons of arrows were available in reserve; kept and distributed by in-ranks armorers assigned to that task). A lasso hung from his saddle and a dagger (‘kris' ) was strapped to the inside of his forearm. Apart from these, the light cavalrymen carried a short sword and two or three javelins, and the heavy cavalryman carried a (single edged, slightly curved) scimitar, a battle ax or mace, and a twelve foot lance with a horse-hair pennant and hook below the blade. In their saddlebags they carried a change of clothing, a cooking pot, field rations, which were usually yoghurt, millet, dried meat and 'kumiz' (fermented mare's milk), a leather water bottle, a fishing line, files for sharpening arrows, a needle and thread and other tools for repairing equipment. Not only was the saddlebag waterproof, it could also be inflated to act as a crude life jacket for fording rivers. The bow was easily the Mongol’s most important weapon. The mediaeval English longbow had a pull of seventy five pounds and a range of up to two hundred and fifty yards, but the smaller, reflex composite bows used by the Mongols had a pull of between a hundred and a hundred sixty pounds and a range of over three hundred fifty yards. The Mongol bow was made from layers of horn and sinew on a wooden frame and covered with waterproof lacquer. Unstrung it was shaped like three quarters of a circle, but when strung the outer curve of the circle bent towards its center to form the front of the bow, making a double curve with the 'ears' at either end bending away from the archer. (The composite bow was usually left in a 'strung' position, since this improves its strength rather than weakening it, whereas a constantly strung position does tend to weaken any other kind of bow.) The layer nearest the archer (inside bow) was horn and the layer furthest from him (outside bow) was sinew. The string was more taut than on a longbow and when it was released the horn would snap back to it's original shape and the stretched sinew would contract, shooting the arrow faster and with more power than a bow made of wood. The velocity was further increased by the difficult technique known as the Mongolian thumb block: the string was drawn back by a stone ring on the right thumb which released it more suddenly than the fingers (* 'Thumb ring' - protects fingers from flaying, improves control of release-moment and therefore accuracy). In his quivers a soldier carried arrows for every purpose: long range arrows and short range arrows, Three foot armour piercing arrows with (*iron) tips that had been hardened by being plunged into salt water when they were red-hot, whistling arrows for signaling and identifying targets, incendiary arrows and arrows tipped with tiny grenades. He could bend and string his bow in the saddle by placing one end between his foot and the stirrup and he could shoot in any direction at full gallop, carefully timing his release to come between the paces of his horse, so that his aim would not be deflected as the hooves pounded the ground. - THE DEVIL’S HORSEMEN, James Chambers, p.p. 55 - 57 ...cannon and the fundamentals of modern military method came to Europe with the Mongols. -The Outline of History, H. G. Wells, p. 816

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Traditionally, many Mongols learned to ride nearly before they could walk. A toddler's saddle is made of rope, and includes a cinch tying the child's ankles together under the girth of the horse. Mongol martial arts focussed on weapons, primarily the bow, simultaneously recurved and composite, more powerful than an English longbow, and more versatile, given that most were designed to use mounted. Wrestling was primarily used as fitness training. Should your elbow, knee, forearm or lower leg hit the ground, you lost. There are still no weight classes. As such, an Offensive Strike would be an appropriate purchase as a Finishing Move. Mongols were quick to adopt advance tech from cultures, including exploding arrowheads and seige machines. In the 20th century, Mongols slowed Japanese invaders, fighting them off from horseback with rifles and grenades, until the Soviets could bring to bear heavy munitions. The three manly sports of Mongolia are still archery, horse racing and wrestling. These would no doubt factor into Uryangquai of the Woods training, in addition to certain ninja type skills. U of W might use bows in addtion to rifles, since the former are harder to hear. Some Mongol hunters today make their own bows, with multiple layers of fiberglass.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Traditionally, many Mongols learned to ride nearly before they could walk. A toddler's saddle is made of rope, and includes a cinch tying the child's ankles together under the girth of the horse. Mongol martial arts focussed on weapons, primarily the bow, simultaneously recurved and composite, more powerful than an English longbow, and more versatile, given that most were designed to use mounted. Wrestling was primarily used as fitness training. Should your elbow, knee, forearm or lower leg hit the ground, you lost. There are still no weight classes. As such, an Offensive Strike would be an appropriate purchase as a Finishing Move. Mongols were quick to adopt advance tech from cultures, including exploding arrowheads and seige machines. In the 20th century, Mongols slowed Japanese invaders, fighting them off from horseback with rifles and grenades, until the Soviets could bring to bear heavy munitions. The three manly sports of Mongolia are still archery, horse racing and wrestling. These would no doubt factor into Uryangquai of the Woods training, in addition to certain ninja type skills. U of W might use bows in addtion to rifles, since the former are harder to hear. Some Mongol hunters today make their own bows, with multiple layers of fiberglass.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Traditionally, many Mongols learned to ride nearly before they could walk. A toddler's saddle is made of rope, and includes a cinch tying the child's ankles together under the girth of the horse. Mongol martial arts focussed on weapons, primarily the bow, simultaneously recurved and composite, more powerful than an English longbow, and more versatile, given that most were designed to use mounted. Wrestling was primarily used as fitness training. Should your elbow, knee, forearm or lower leg hit the ground, you lost. There are still no weight classes. As such, an Offensive Strike would be an appropriate purchase as a Finishing Move. Mongols were quick to adopt advance tech from cultures, including exploding arrowheads and seige machines. In the 20th century, Mongols slowed Japanese invaders, fighting them off from horseback with rifles and grenades, until the Soviets could bring to bear heavy munitions. The three manly sports of Mongolia are still archery, horse racing and wrestling. These would no doubt factor into Uryangquai of the Woods training, in addition to certain ninja type skills. U of W might use bows in addtion to rifles, since the former are harder to hear. Some Mongol hunters today make their own bows, with multiple layers of fiberglass.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Great idea, Matt, falconry with the owl, though the golden eagle you sent along is easier to train.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Traditionally, many Mongols learned to ride nearly before they could walk. A toddler's saddle is made of rope, and includes a cinch tying the child's ankles together under the girth of the horse. Mongol martial arts focussed on weapons, primarily the bow, simultaneously recurved and composite, more powerful than an English longbow, and more versatile, given that most were designed to use mounted. Wrestling was primarily used as fitness training. Should your elbow, knee, forearm or lower leg hit the ground, you lost. There are still no weight classes. As such, an Offensive Strike would be an appropriate purchase as a Finishing Move. Mongols were quick to adopt advance tech from cultures, including exploding arrowheads and seige machines. In the 20th century, Mongols slowed Japanese invaders, fighting them off from horseback with rifles and grenades, until the Soviets could bring to bear heavy munitions. The three manly sports of Mongolia are still archery, horse racing and wrestling. These would no doubt factor into Uryangquai of the Woods training, in addition to certain ninja type skills. U of W might use bows in addtion to rifles, since the former are harder to hear. Some Mongol hunters today make their own bows, with multiple layers of fiberglass.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Sure, happy to do so one fine day. Be very patient- I'm working a lot of 16 hour shifts. This will be a 5r Pulp Hero. Thank you for asking.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! As well as being a good shot with a rifle, given the time frames referenced.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! As well as being a good shot with a rifle, given the time frames referenced.

Re: Mongol Ninjas! The Mongolian countryside greeting is, "Hold the dog."

Re: Mongol Ninjas! Thank you very much. I work too many 16 hour shifts to throw you more than a bone. Here is an antique pic you might consider for a Grand [ATTACH=CONFIG]37474[/ATTACH]Master Owl illustration. Also, wearing his winter coat is the dreadful Mongolian Mastiff, the Bankhar. Does he look like a lion / bear crossbreed?[ATTACH=CONFIG]37473[/ATTACH]

Re: Mongol Ninjas! True, though Kazakhs are more famous for hunting with the golden eagle pictured. Strongest specimens have been said to snap wolf spines with their talons.

Adventure / Character Seed Shortly after he died, [Genghis] Khan’s surviving commanders ordered a group of 50 particularly battle-hardened families, collectively known as the Uryangqai of the Woods, to occupy this land [part of northern Mongolia’s Hentiy Province, an area known as the Ikh Khorig, which translates literally as the “great taboo” but is referred to by outsiders as the “Forbidden Zone”], kill any trespassers, making exceptions only for the funeral processions of the Khan’s direct descendants, who were allowed to be buried there. Unsurprisingly, this fierce degree of secrecy has led many to surmise that the body of Genghis Khan himself resides somewhere in this zone, along with some of the treasures of an empire vaster than those of Napoleon and Alexander the Great combined. When the Soviets took over Mongolia in 1924, they stamped out the Uryangqai of the Woods just as they tried to stamp out the subversive, nationalism-inspiring memory of the great Khan, maintaining a bubble around the Ikh Khorig, declaring it a highly classified military site. -Luke Dittrich for National Geographic This leads to several questions. How did the Soviets smash the Uryangqai of the Woods? Explosives and/or treachery? Did they really kill them all? Historically, Mongolians are nomads that follow their flocks, moving five times a year or so. It may not have been possible to kill them all. This could be the secret Background for a Pulp or Golden Age Asian martial arts master. For a modern game, this Background could be alleged, secret, public, or somewhere in between. Was he the original 9th Jebtsundamba Khutugtu (Holy Venerable Lord), a reincarnation, found in 1924, of the Bogd Khan (God Emperor), a Mongolian who disappeared from the pages of history? Did he help train Mongolian Olympic gold medal martial artists? Albert Lin of Japan is using high tech gear to search for the secret tomb of Genghis Khan http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/best-of-adventure/albert-lin A Uryangquai of the Woods descendant, among others, would not care for this grave robbing mission. The descendant may feel compelled to try to stop it. News may reach our heroes, who may initially try to help the intrepid explorer, and then have to rethink their position, as the cultural relevance becomes clearer to them, especially if the descendant took care to kill no one. The descendant could try to recruit more defenders for the Ikh Khorig region. He may not restrict recruitment to Mongol nationals. Most Mongols live outside the national boundary, and the number of those with some Mongol heritage is immense. He may be more interested in martial ability than pedigree- no Mongol ancestry may be necessary. The latter would be helpful for a player character build. For the sake of this discussion, let's call him Grand Master Owl. Pilgrim, "Let me show you why I am worthy to be your student." A flurry of katas ensue. Grand Master Owl, "What is the price you must pay?" Pilgrim, "All that a teacher is due. Also, if I become one of your top students, I must guard the Ikh Khorig for a time equal to the time you intructed me." Grand Master Owl, "Give an example." Pilgrim, "If I advance to top student in twelve years, I must protect the Ikh Khorig for twelve years. If I never make top student, I do not have this obligation." Grand Master Owl, "It is so."

Adventure / Character Seed Shortly after he died, [Genghis] Khan’s surviving commanders ordered a group of 50 particularly battle-hardened families, collectively known as the Uryangqai of the Woods, to occupy this land [part of northern Mongolia’s Hentiy Province, an area known as the Ikh Khorig, which translates literally as the “great taboo” but is referred to by outsiders as the “Forbidden Zone”], kill any trespassers, making exceptions only for the funeral processions of the Khan’s direct descendants, who were allowed to be buried there. Unsurprisingly, this fierce degree of secrecy has led many to surmise that the body of Genghis Khan himself resides somewhere in this zone, along with some of the treasures of an empire vaster than those of Napoleon and Alexander the Great combined. When the Soviets took over Mongolia in 1924, they stamped out the Uryangqai of the Woods just as they tried to stamp out the subversive, nationalism-inspiring memory of the great Khan, maintaining a bubble around the Ikh Khorig, declaring it a highly classified military site. -Luke Dittrich for National Geographic This leads to several questions. How did the Soviets smash the Uryangqai of the Woods? Explosives and/or treachery? Did they really kill them all? Historically, Mongolians are nomads that follow their flocks, moving five times a year or so. It may not have been possible to kill them all. This could be the secret Background for a Pulp or Golden Age Asian martial arts master. For a modern game, this Background could be alleged, secret, public, or somewhere in between. Was he the original 9th Jebtsundamba Khutugtu (Holy Venerable Lord), a reincarnation, found in 1924, of the Bogd Khan (God Emperor), a Mongolian who disappeared from the pages of history? Did he help train Mongolian Olympic gold medal martial artists? Albert Lin of Japan is using high tech gear to search for the secret tomb of Genghis Khan http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/best-of-adventure/albert-lin A Uryangquai of the Woods descendant, among others, would not care for this grave robbing mission. The descendant may feel compelled to try to stop it. News may reach our heroes, who may initially try to help the intrepid explorer, and then have to rethink their position, as the cultural relevance becomes clearer to them, especially if the descendant took care to kill no one. The descendant could try to recruit more defenders for the Ikh Khorig region. He may not restrict recruitment to Mongol nationals. Most Mongols live outside the national boundary, and the number of those with some Mongol heritage is immense. He may be more interested in martial ability than pedigree- no Mongol ancestry may be necessary. The latter would be helpful for a player character build. For the sake of this discussion, let's call him Grand Master Owl. Pilgrim, "Let me show you why I am worthy to be your student." A flurry of katas ensue. Grand Master Owl, "What is the price you must pay?" Pilgrim, "All that a teacher is due. Also, if I become one of your top students, I must guard the Ikh Khorig for a time equal to the time you intructed me." Grand Master Owl, "Give an example." Pilgrim, "If I advance to top student in twelve years, I must protect the Ikh Khorig for twelve years. If I never make top student, I do not have this obligation." Grand Master Owl, "It is so."

Adventure / Character Seed Shortly after he died, [Genghis] Khan’s surviving commanders ordered a group of 50 particularly battle-hardened families, collectively known as the Uryangqai of the Woods, to occupy this land [part of northern Mongolia’s Hentiy Province, an area known as the Ikh Khorig, which translates literally as the “great taboo” but is referred to by outsiders as the “Forbidden Zone”], kill any trespassers, making exceptions only for the funeral processions of the Khan’s direct descendants, who were allowed to be buried there. Unsurprisingly, this fierce degree of secrecy has led many to surmise that the body of Genghis Khan himself resides somewhere in this zone, along with some of the treasures of an empire vaster than those of Napoleon and Alexander the Great combined. When the Soviets took over Mongolia in 1924, they stamped out the Uryangqai of the Woods just as they tried to stamp out the subversive, nationalism-inspiring memory of the great Khan, maintaining a bubble around the Ikh Khorig, declaring it a highly classified military site. -Luke Dittrich for National Geographic This leads to several questions. How did the Soviets smash the Uryangqai of the Woods? Explosives and/or treachery? Did they really kill them all? Historically, Mongolians are nomads that follow their flocks, moving five times a year or so. It may not have been possible to kill them all. This could be the secret Background for a Pulp or Golden Age Asian martial arts master. For a modern game, this Background could be alleged, secret, public, or somewhere in between. Was he the original 9th Jebtsundamba Khutugtu (Holy Venerable Lord), a reincarnation, found in 1924, of the Bogd Khan (God Emperor), a Mongolian who disappeared from the pages of history? Did he help train Mongolian Olympic gold medal martial artists? Albert Lin of Japan is using high tech gear to search for the secret tomb of Genghis Khan http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/best-of-adventure/albert-lin A Uryangquai of the Woods descendant, among others, would not care for this grave robbing mission. The descendant may feel compelled to try to stop it. News may reach our heroes, who may initially try to help the intrepid explorer, and then have to rethink their position, as the cultural relevance becomes clearer to them, especially if the descendant took care to kill no one. The descendant could try to recruit more defenders for the Ikh Khorig region. He may not restrict recruitment to Mongol nationals. Most Mongols live outside the national boundary, and the number of those with some Mongol heritage is immense. He may be more interested in martial ability than pedigree- no Mongol ancestry may be necessary. The latter would be helpful for a player character build. For the sake of this discussion, let's call him Grand Master Owl. Pilgrim, "Let me show you why I am worthy to be your student." A flurry of katas ensue. Grand Master Owl, "What is the price you must pay?" Pilgrim, "All that a teacher is due. Also, if I become one of your top students, I must guard the Ikh Khorig for a time equal to the time you intructed me." Grand Master Owl, "Give an example." Pilgrim, "If I advance to top student in twelve years, I must protect the Ikh Khorig for twelve years. If I never make top student, I do not have this obligation." Grand Master Owl, "It is so."

Adventure / Character Seed Shortly after he died, [Genghis] Khan’s surviving commanders ordered a group of 50 particularly battle-hardened families, collectively known as the Uryangqai of the Woods, to occupy this land [part of northern Mongolia’s Hentiy Province, an area known as the Ikh Khorig, which translates literally as the “great taboo” but is referred to by outsiders as the “Forbidden Zone”], kill any trespassers, making exceptions only for the funeral processions of the Khan’s direct descendants, who were allowed to be buried there. Unsurprisingly, this fierce degree of secrecy has led many to surmise that the body of Genghis Khan himself resides somewhere in this zone, along with some of the treasures of an empire vaster than those of Napoleon and Alexander the Great combined. When the Soviets took over Mongolia in 1924, they stamped out the Uryangqai of the Woods just as they tried to stamp out the subversive, nationalism-inspiring memory of the great Khan, maintaining a bubble around the Ikh Khorig, declaring it a highly classified military site. -Luke Dittrich for National Geographic This leads to several questions. How did the Soviets smash the Uryangqai of the Woods? Explosives and/or treachery? Did they really kill them all? Historically, Mongolians are nomads that follow their flocks, moving five times a year or so. It may not have been possible to kill them all. This could be the secret Background for a Pulp or Golden Age Asian martial arts master. For a modern game, this Background could be alleged, secret, public, or somewhere in between. Was he the original 9th Jebtsundamba Khutugtu (Holy Venerable Lord), a reincarnation, found in 1924, of the Bogd Khan (God Emperor), a Mongolian who disappeared from the pages of history? Did he help train Mongolian Olympic gold medal martial artists? Albert Lin of Japan is using high tech gear to search for the secret tomb of Genghis Khan http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/best-of-adventure/albert-lin A Uryangquai of the Woods descendant, among others, would not care for this grave robbing mission. The descendant may feel compelled to try to stop it. News may reach our heroes, who may initially try to help the intrepid explorer, and then have to rethink their position, as the cultural relevance becomes clearer to them, especially if the descendant took care to kill no one. The descendant could try to recruit more defenders for the Ikh Khorig region. He may not restrict recruitment to Mongol nationals. Most Mongols live outside the national boundary, and the number of those with some Mongol heritage is immense. He may be more interested in martial ability than pedigree- no Mongol ancestry may be necessary. The latter would be helpful for a player character build. For the sake of this discussion, let's call him Grand Master Owl. Pilgrim, "Let me show you why I am worthy to be your student." A flurry of katas ensue. Grand Master Owl, "What is the price you must pay?" Pilgrim, "All that a teacher is due. Also, if I become one of your top students, I must guard the Ikh Khorig for a time equal to the time you intructed me." Grand Master Owl, "Give an example." Pilgrim, "If I advance to top student in twelve years, I must protect the Ikh Khorig for twelve years. If I never make top student, I do not have this obligation." Grand Master Owl, "It is so."

Re: Middle-earth TheQuestionMan's LORD OF THE RINGS RESOURCES is great stuff- it's later, let's see more this month, please! Encyclopedia of Arda http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/ Lord of the Rings Wiki http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Lord of the Rings RPG by Decipher http://www.decipher.com/lordoftherings/rpg/ Lord of the Rings at Surbrook's Stuff http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptationsbook/lotr/lotrchar.html Middle Earth Role Playing http://www.merp.com/ MERP at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MERP Lord of the Rings at National Geographic http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngbeyond/rings/language.html HERO GAMES DISCUSSION THREADS Fourth Age Hero (Check out Post #26 by Eosin) http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25021&highlight=%22Middle-Earth%22 Lord of the Ring 4th Age Campaign by BlueBuddha http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59420&highlight=Lord+Rings Tuala Morn - Makes a great Resource too. https://www.herogames.com/viewItem.htm?itemID=220627 Herbalism - Resources drawn from MERP Adaptation and Conversion http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14710&highlight=MERP <<>> QM

Is Missile Deflection effective vs. Entangle?

Upon reflection, I've decided that if Cap wants velocity adds from his end using Offensive Trip, he must move (typically Running, but hurling from an open jeep or such applies, too) toward the target. He may use his 1/2 Move Running or other Movement velocity adds, no hurling velocity adds. Works even better when his Target is moving towards him, too, obviously.

...which I bought as a 9d6 EB vs. PD. I did not buy Ranged Skill Levels or No Range Penalty. I'm thinking about Indirect for bounces, just noticed someone's posted suggestion, cool. I'm not asking about the Throw maneuver, I'm asking about using the Offensive Trip ranged martial arts maneuver. If he throws it far enough, do velocity adds for the distance the shield travels to its target apply? I realize most projectiles do not get velocity adds* of this nature, though Cap's 12 pound shield may be a special case -Will "Suffice" Geiger *lasers travel at 1 C, no mass, bullets and arrows have little mass, etc. It never occurred to me to factor in velocity adds for my Mongol archer's attacks, though my buddy said there may be a case for the Mongol horse's forward velocity adds.

...which weighs twelve pounds*, using the Offensive Trip ranged martial arts maneuver. If he throws it far enough, do velocity adds for the distance the shield travels to its target apply? -Will "Suffice" Geiger *Marvel Universe Book of Weapons, Hardware, and Paraphernalia, 1984