GrimJesta Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 OK, Im looking at the College of Time Magic in the 4th edition FH Companion II. Theres a spell that does a 3d6 Drain against Speed, effectively slowing time around the target. My question is this: the average character in Fantasy Hero has a 2 or 3 SPD, so is it correct of me to assume that the Drain affects decimals? Like a 3 SPD is a 3.0 for the purposes of this spell, and thus a 7 rolled lowers the target to a 2.3 SPD? Cuz a 3d6 Darin wouldnt even need to be rolled otherwise, but I dont see any ruling in the book, so I want to make sure... ..am I correct? -=Grim=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 To an extent....at the very least, you're on the right track. A Drain does not affect a character's SPD until it Drains a full 10 character points worth. So: 0-9 points = no loss in SPD 10-19 points = -1 SPD 20-29 points = -2 SPD 30-39 points = -3 SPD and so on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Draining 1-9 pts of SPD does not cause the victim to lose a point of SPD. (p73) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 A drain does affect decimals, but you do not actually lose 1 point of SPD until the entire 10 is drained. So a 3 SPD drained to a 2.3 still goes on Phases 4, 8, 12 until the SPD is drained to 2 or lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 You are absolutely correct, GrimJ. However, the above posters are also correct. You must drain at least 10cp's from a characters SPD attribute to affectively drop him/her a point of SPD. Now a use for fractional SPD! Makes it harder to drain and easier to boost via Aid/Succor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 It should be noted that the same applies to Aid: 0-9 points = +0 SPD 10-19 points = +1 SPD and so on... There is no "decimal value" for the SPD....that's a bad way to think of things which can lead to errors in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimJesta Posted January 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Awesome. Thanks for the REALLY quick help folks. Appreciate it... now back to designing that villain. Mwhhaha! I suddenly have clarity. -=Grim=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite Now a use for fractional SPD! Makes it harder to drain and easier to boost via Aid/Succor... No, it does not. There is no such thing as "fractional SPD" beyond the "discount" that is given to the first point of SPD purchased as a Characteristic. If you have a character with a 23 DEX and a 3 SPD, it still takes 10 points of effect to either Drain or Aid a point of SPD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Just to be a pain in the butt.... SPD drain doesnt effect the target until a full 10 points are drained. IF the return rate on the drain is 5/turn, do a full 10 points have to return before the SPD is recovered? Ie : IF I am drained 10 character points and lose a SPD, does it return on the next recovery, or the one after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaratustra Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 If you really need those SPD decimals, go here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Originally posted by Outsider Just to be a pain in the butt.... SPD drain doesnt effect the target until a full 10 points are drained. IF the return rate on the drain is 5/turn, do a full 10 points have to return before the SPD is recovered? Ie : IF I am drained 10 character points and lose a SPD, does it return on the next recovery, or the one after? It returns on the next recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCUBA Hero Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Originally posted by Simon It returns on the next recovery. From the FAQ: "Q: Once a character Drains a full increment of a Characteristic or incremental Power, does the victim have to recover a full increment’s worth of points for that Characteristic or Power to become active again? A: Yes. The victim gets the “protection†of having to have the full value of the power (or whatever) Drained, so it’s only fair that once it is Drained, he has to get it all back to use it again. However, in appropriately heroic circumstances (e.g., to save the world, or the like), the GM may wish to give a character some sort of roll or chance to use his power early — maybe at the expense of hurting himself a little or something." So if I understand correctly, the SPD should return on the second Recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Oops....that must have been added in since I last talked to him about it (which was, admittedly, some time ago). Thanks for the correction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farik Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Just to be a devil's advocate I can say in our game we used fractional aid to spd (ie: SPD of 2(.3) only needed 7 pts of aid to get 3 SPD and draining 1 pt of SPD wouldn't affect the SPD 2(.3) character since it just lowered them to 2(.2) but it did affect the 3 SPD character who would drop to 2(.9) This did not bust our game or cause gross abuse but then again we were playing a Super Espionage game that focused more on tactics against hordes of soldiers or security gaurds than on traditional "Super" battles. So I'd encourage you to try the fractional SPD approach but YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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