Cargus10 Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Glen Cook, maybe? Eric Flint? Hmmm...trying to think of someone that has the same "style" as Martin AND could do epic fantasy. Tad Williams, maybe? Though I just couldn't get into the "Dragonbone Chair" books, I think he could finish up the Ice & Fire books and be readable. Maybe Raymond Feist? He can sure do the epic part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones I'd lean towards Cook or maybe Steven Erikson, both of whom have proven ability to do grim epic fantasy. (Although I find Erikson's work to be hopelessly confusing and muddled.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargus10 Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones I tried to read Erikson, and just gave up after about 100 pages. I had not one single clue what was going on, even to not being sure who the main characters were. I haven't been that confused since, um....OK, there has to be something. Tristram Shandy, maybe (which I also abandoned). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones I read the wikipedia article on Gardens of the Moon and remembered why it was so confusing. Most characters have at least two names and a title, unannounced narrative jumps of several years, and at least a half dozen seemingly unrelated subplots. I got through it, but it felt like I'd read a short story anthology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones I actually ran SOIAF using the Dogs in the Vineyard rules, to get all the social stuff. Campaign was called "The Second Sons" for obvious reasons, with the tabard replacing the coat. All Valerian steel items had to be named -- one PC had the only piece of Valerian steel ever made into armor . . . lots of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Wouldn't the proper acronym for the series be SOIAF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Shrug. I knew what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Too much wine. Too much Bakshi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Anne Rice? All of House Lannister convert to Christianity on their deathbeds, only to come back as Vampires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargus10 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Aw, c'mon. Tyrion Lannister is far to interesting a character for Anne Rice to ever have written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Aw' date=' c'mon. Tyrion Lannister is far to interesting a character for Anne Rice to ever have written.[/quote'] Tyrion is far too... too... something for most authors to write. Think of his attributes, his proclivities, and his actions --- yet, he remains one of the most popular/well liked characters by the readership. He is an abhorrent person but I still like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargus10 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Odd...I dont' see him a abhorrent, really, at all. In fact, I see him as one of the "good guys", just crippled by his deformities and who he is related to. Well, OK, he did kind of...um, don't want to give away spoilers, but you have to agree that anyone he has "wronged" sure had it coming to them... He's certainly one of my favorite characters, along with Jon Snow and Davos Seaworth, though who knows if the latter is still alive or not. Oh, and as for minor characters, how can you not like Dolorous Edd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones All of House Lannister convert to Christianity on their deathbeds' date=' only to come back as Vampires.[/quote'] Lustful, erotic vampires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones See that's the weird part. Tyrion isn't capable of being in a normal relationship. He prefers whores so he knows where their loyalty lies. He isn't capable of friendship but can buy all the friends one could want. He is a drunken coward. He kills those whom he should not.... He is an abhorrent human being but, like you, I still like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargus10 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Oh, I dunno...he only sleeps with whores because that's the only women that will have him - he's a crippled dwarf with mis-matched eyes after all. And you have to admit, his formative years did teach him to be distrustful...but not distrustful enough, it seems. Coward? Well, sort of. Physically you could say he is, but then, I would be afraid to go into combat with a knight too if I were him. Drunken? Not all that much. Sure, he drinks, and likes it, but he's rarely blotto. As for friendship, I think he is capable, if otheres would be friends with him. I'd argue Jon Show is possibly his friend. Oddly, so is his brother Jaime. And I'm pretty sure everyone he killed he should have...sometimes years too late, granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Oh, I dunno...he only sleeps with whores because that's the only women that will have him - he's a crippled dwarf with mis-matched eyes after all. And you have to admit, his formative years did teach him to be distrustful...but not distrustful enough, it seems. Coward? Well, sort of. Physically you could say he is, but then, I would be afraid to go into combat with a knight too if I were him. Drunken? Not all that much. Sure, he drinks, and likes it, but he's rarely blotto. As for friendship, I think he is capable, if otheres would be friends with him. I'd argue Jon Show is possibly his friend. Oddly, so is his brother Jaime. And I'm pretty sure everyone he killed he should have...sometimes years too late, granted. See we agree.... You just have reasons why he is like he is and I certainly didn't say that there weren't some really hunkered aspects to being Tyrion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargus10 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Indeed - except for the coward part. I think he's very courageous in some ways. And I still say he's one of the "good guys" - well, relative to the rest of the characters, that is. Granted, some of them are true cesspools of depravity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Of course in the series there's maybe half a dozen people who can qualify as good guys, if that. Of course, I'm sure the author is looking to rectify that in the next book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Indeed - except for the coward part. I think he's very courageous in some ways. And I still say he's one of the "good guys" - well' date=' relative to the rest of the characters, that is. Granted, some of them are true cesspools of depravity...[/quote'] I'd say his inner self is a coward but one who struggles against his nature. He is a hero by circumstance. And who isn't a good guy around Gregor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibear Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Jaime and Brienne are my favourite two characters. In fact the last PC I designed was a Brienne rip-off er..homage. Is there an RPG of this somewhere? Did I imagine that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maur Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Yes, there is an RPG. The main book was published by Green Ronin, but they don't seem to have it available any longer. Main RPG Book: http://www.amazon.com/Game-Thrones-D20-Based-Open-Gaming/dp/1588469425 Two upcoming Adventure books in the above setting: http://www.amazon.com/Song-Ice-Fire-RPG-Adventure/dp/1934547166/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208967901&sr=8-17 http://www.amazon.com/Song-Ice-Fire-Roleplaying-Adventures/dp/1934547123/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208967870&sr=8-14 And the Latest NOVEL HAS A RELEASE DATE: http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Dragons-George-R-R-Martin/dp/0553801473/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208967870&sr=8-2 Now we'll see if it will actually hit the streets on said date... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones The Amazon release date is, itself, a work of fiction. Feast for Crows had at least three different Amazon release dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargus10 Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones The only reliable resource for dates is GRRM's own page: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones Honestly, I think that while GRRM is extremely hard on his characters, what he's really doing is brutalizing fantasy tropes. He'll start a subplot down a pretty well-worn path and then, rather suddenly, veer sharply off of it. There was a princess who was very apprehensive about her arranged marriage to a barbarian king; her ultimate reaction was not stereotypical. There was another princess who was ecstatic to be married to the king of her dreams, and she didn't get a fairy tale ending either. Nor did the direwolves, after they were so carefully matched up to the Stark children in the first few chapters of the book; or the orphaned girl who was secretly taught to fence; or the shieldmaiden who turned out to be neither fair nor even that great in combat; nor the rebel prince who took up arms against those who unjustly slew his father; nor the best swordsman in the land. Unpredictability, in a word, is GRRM's hallmark in this series. Not all the surprises are brutal outcomes for the characters, but many are, simply because he's breaking so many cliched fairytale endings. Any author has to be hard on his characters around the middle of the story, to build up dramatic tension and reader sympathy--and the middle of the story is about where we are now. It sounds to me like GRRM set out not to tell a story, but to skewer fantasy. He would have been better off writing an obviously snide parody so that those who don't want to read a book of skewers wouldn't have bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Re: Game of Thrones It sounds to me like GRRM set out not to tell a story' date=' but to skewer fantasy. He would have been better off writing an obviously snide parody so that those who don't want to read a book of skewers wouldn't have bothered.[/quote'] Y'know, I think Kristopher's just summed up my feelings on the author and this setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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