L.A. Caveman

[SSgt Baloo]

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Neanderthals sounded like Mike Tyson and Fran Drescher.

 

And yet they continued to breed for thousands of years. *shudders* No accounting for taste.

[Vestnik]

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Perhaps Tyson and Drescher are some sort of throwback?

[patrick]

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Who says they're a throw back. Some folks just evolve slower than others. I'm only the third generation in my family to walk upright.

 

My Uncle Junga still like too paint horses and wooly rhinoceroses on the living room walls and fire still freaks him out.

[Mulgar]

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Then again they were much closter to us than we thought? Could they be us?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070116/ap_on_sc/humans_neanderthals

 

Now let's look at the Neanderthal, with his injury paterns he would make a good rodeo cowboy. The Hunting/Animal tracker wouldn't be an option. There are to many extinct animals.

[patrick]

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All kidding aside, as cool as I think it would be that Neanderthal DNA was present in our own, mitochondrial mapping of populations supports the notion that the modern human population descends from a few thousand folks that walked out Africa. Successful Neanderthal/Sapiens breeding would give us a population group in Europe and West Asia that would NOT be part of the mitochondrial chain.

 

Now granted Neanderthal/Sapiens breeding attempts could have been made, but I suspect that that the offspring would have been a mule, unable to reproduce.

 

I'd sell my neighbors soul (not mine, I'm using it) to meet a Neanderthal. Basically they're a separate species that were probably as intelligent as humans (though maybe in a different way) and capable of speech. The idea of having a conversation with another species (besides teaching a gorilla sign language) is just way too cool.

 

Damn shame they didn't survive. Imagine how world history would've been different if the had.

[Mulgar]

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All kidding aside, as cool as I think it would be that Neanderthal DNA was present in our own, mitochondrial mapping of populations supports the notion that the modern human population descends from a few thousand folks that walked out Africa. Successful Neanderthal/Sapiens breeding would give us a population group in Europe and West Asia that would NOT be part of the mitochondrial chain.

 

Now granted Neanderthal/Sapiens breeding attempts could have been made, but I suspect that that the offspring would have been a mule, unable to reproduce.

 

I'd sell my neighbors soul (not mine, I'm using it) to meet a Neanderthal. Basically they're a separate species that were probably as intelligent as humans (though maybe in a different way) and capable of speech. The idea of having a conversation with another species (besides teaching a gorilla sign language) is just way too cool.

 

Damn shame they didn't survive. Imagine how world history would've been different if the had.

 

Just a few points....

 

1) mitochondrial DNA is passed to the child via the mother if I remember correctly...Wouldn't that mean that the possibility exists that the mother could have been H. sapiens and the father neanderthal?

 

2) Mule point is well taken and very probable.

 

3) Hey I might be your neighbor and I AM using my soul as well

 

4) I have thought about a campaing setting where not only sapiens and neanderthal survived but also Gigantus, and the "hobbit" from the pacific. It would give you a typical hobbit, orc or troll, human and a "half-dwarf" (neanderthal). With a little work you could have all the typical "races" using human ancestors.

[patrick]

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Just a few points....

 

1) mitochondrial DNA is passed to the child via the mother if I remember correctly...Wouldn't that mean that the possibility exists that the mother could have been H. sapiens and the father neanderthal?

 

2) Mule point is well taken and very probable.

 

3) Hey I might be your neighbor and I AM using my soul as well

 

4) I have thought about a campaing setting where not only sapiens and neanderthal survived but also Gigantus, and the "hobbit" from the pacific. It would give you a typical hobbit, orc or troll, human and a "half-dwarf" (neanderthal). With a little work you could have all the typical "races" using human ancestors.

 

1) True mitochondrial DNA only tells half the story, but if any significant viable interbreeding went on some of it would have been Neanderthal female-Sapiens male. Granted that all depends what we call significant, but with genetics killing the multiregional hypothesis, a multi-species population would stick out like a buger on a wart on a sore thumb.

 

3) Fine, I'll sell the guys soul on the other side:D

 

4) I've always thought that using real hominids, as opposed to Tolkien races, would make for a more interesting setting.

[SSgt Baloo]

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...I've always thought that using real hominids' date=' as opposed to Tolkien races, would make for a more interesting setting.[/quote']

 

Amen to that brother! Of course, when I did it, the fantasy setting was really a post-apocalypse setting, so the nonhumans were descended from gorillas, ourangutans and chimpanzees. And all the animals were extrapolated from the After Man books.

[Mulgar]

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Amen to that brother! Of course' date=' when I did it, the fantasy setting was really a post-apocalypse setting, so the nonhumans were descended from gorillas, ourangutans and chimpanzees.[/size'] And all the animals were extrapolated from the After Man books.

 

Details? I'm not opposed to stealing your ideals if I ever do my own campaign.

 

You got anything you'd like to share?

[SSgt Baloo]

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Details? I'm not opposed to stealing your ideals if I ever do my own campaign.

 

You got anything you'd like to share?

 

Well, f'rinstance instead of wolves, there were the carniverous descendants of rats, called Ravenes. For the nonhuman sapients, I gave the apes human-level intelligence and speech of one sort or another (chimps had sign language 'cos it was cool!) There was one nonhuman race modeled after that vaguely humanoid canine thingy from D&D (not kobolds. Gnolls maybe?)

 

I borrowed bits and pieces from different Post-Apocalyptic fiction. One bit was that demons were created from the energy of nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons that were either just being unleashed or still in the stockpile. It was sort of like a whole bunch of malevolent genies in shell casings just waiting to be unleashed. Gunpowder and explosives became lesser imps and devils, while hospitals, schools, (occsionally) churches, and police stations becoming locuses for spiritual forces related to their former functions. They were usually opposed to demons, etc, except for cases like, f'rinstance, the police in that locale had been corrupt or maybe the church in question was governed by other-than-altrustic doctrines, etc.

 

As the campaign progressed, the demonic forces would remain about as powerful as they were when they started. The benevolent forces would start out much weaker than the demonic forces, but as they gained adherents, they were planned to rival and eventually overhrow the demonic forces. Unfortunately, I PCSed (was transferred) before we had run more than a few scenarios. I never even got to trot out the Dachshund (descendant) that had been bred to be as big as a Clydesdale (but so much lower to the ground, don'cha know?)

[Susano]

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Well' date=' f'rinstance instead of wolves, there were the carniverous descendants of rats, called [i']Ravenes[/i]. For the nonhuman sapients, I gave the apes human-level intelligence and speech of one sort or another (chimps had sign language 'cos it was cool!) There was one nonhuman race modeled after that vaguely humanoid canine thingy from D&D (not kobolds. Gnolls maybe?))

 

The original AD&D Gnolls looked like humanoid hyenas.

[SSgt Baloo]

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The original AD&D Gnolls looked like humanoid hyenas.

 

Something like this perhaps (the one with the spots is supposed to be Hyena-American)? Of course, if D&D gnolls had looked like that, I suppose we wouldn't have been so unfriendly to them?

[zornwil]

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I thought there was still scientific speculation as to the possibility of Neanderthal/homo sapien, and just from a quick search immediately found this - http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/skull-suggests-neanderthals-are-part-of-family/2007/01/16/1168709753009.html as well as a link to Scientific American but that didn't work. So the case is still open, generally. A quote from another article puts it as "A recent study of scraps of Neanderthal DNA concluded that although there is little evidence that Neanderthals, who died out some 30,000 years ago, contributed to the modern human gene pool, some interbreeding could not be ruled out. "

 

The question was raised as to congitive abilities. We know that Neanderthals generally were technologically as capable, but we don't know if they were followers/adapters or if they independently developed tools. But we do know that their artwork was markedly different, that when homo sapiens were preoccupied with realistic artwork representing their environment, neanderthals were abstract in nature. This suggests some sort of different interaction in cognitive abilities, and what I saw that discussed this indicated that, at least for some anthropologists, it seemed likely that neanderthals were more artsy-creative (not their words, mine), and possibly, given the clues of their demise, less techno-efficiency minded. All technical terms, I hope I didn't lose you...

 

Anyway, this doesn't really answer who would adapt better, exactly, but if we do presume, for sake of speculation, that neanderthals were more abstract in appreciation, while this creativity might help them in one sense, if you look at the way homo sapiens founded the world based on a more linear logic, it would seem to me they'd have a harder time adapting than our direct forebears for whom the functionality of the world would probably be likely more directly intuitive, it being more built on that functionality/efficiency basis, a more direct (to us) relationship with the environment. I'm basing this just largely on how people in our society who are more abstract in dealing with the environment and society GENERALLY have a harder time fitting in (but can be our greatest artists and thinkers and so on, so like I said it's a generality).

[Basil]

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Neanderthals sounded like Mike Tyson and Fran Drescher.

 

Well no wonder they died out!!

[input.jack]

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Hey....I like Fran Drescher!

[Vestnik]

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Something like this perhaps (the one with the spots is supposed to be Hyena-American)? Of course' date=' if D&D gnolls had looked like that, I suppose we wouldn't have been so unfriendly to them?[/quote']

 

Since IIRC female hyenas have a large, ahem, pseudo-phallus, I don't think I want to picture the more intimate moments of the pictured relationship.

[SSgt Baloo]

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Since IIRC female hyenas have a large' date=' ahem, pseudo-phallus, I don't think I want to picture the more intimate moments of the pictured relationship. [/quote']

 

 

Dammit, where's my brain soap!?

[Lucius]

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Since IIRC female hyenas have a large' date=' ahem, pseudo-phallus, I don't think I want to picture the more intimate moments of the pictured relationship. [/quote']

 

Which led to the folk-belief that all hyenas were hermaphrodites.

 

Hm. Which leads to some interesting speculations about gnolls....

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary laughs like a hyena at both ends...

[Susano]

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Which led to the folk-belief that all hyenas were hermaphrodites.

 

Hm. Which leads to some interesting speculations about gnolls....

 

Rule 34 man, rule 34.

[Vestnik]

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Dammit, where's my brain soap!?

 

Hyenas are matriarchal and they use said organ in their dominance rituals; the dominant female will mount the defeated one. They're like a species of lesbian BDSMrs.

 

Need any more soap?

[Captain Obvious]

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Rule 34 man' date=' rule 34.[/quote']

 

I was idly curious on this so I did a google search. Holy shit, there is gnoll porn out there.

[Susano]

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I was idly curious on this so I did a google search. Holy shit' date=' there is gnoll porn out there.[/quote']

 

What did I tell you?

[SSgt Baloo]

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I was idly curious on this so I did a google search. Holy shit' date=' there is gnoll porn out there.[/quote']

 

Has no one told you? All that propaganda about ARPAnet is just cover for the true story. The internet was designed to be a nuclear-hardened pornography distribution system.

 

When the US government was building the secret underground bunkers for government officials, they realized that they had to provide some form of entertainmet they could all agree upon (so long as no one else would know). Once it was made clear that bringing pages into the bunker was not allowed, the congressmen unanimously decided upon porn. Initially, ARPAnet was intended to send and receive ASCII text porn, but the system has evolved to deliver text, graphics, sound, moving pictures, etc. Every other use the internet can be put to is an inadvertant capability facilitated by all the porn distribution hardware and software that is currently in service.

 

[zornwil]

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Has no one told you? All that propaganda about ARPAnet is just cover for the true story. The internet was designed to be a nuclear-hardened pornography distribution system.

 

When the US government was building the secret underground bunkers for government officials, they realized that they had to provide some form of entertainmet they could all agree upon (so long as no one else would know). Once it was made clear that bringing pages into the bunker was not allowed, the congressmen unanimously decided upon porn. Initially, ARPAnet was intended to send and receive ASCII text porn, but the system has evolved to deliver text, graphics, sound, moving pictures, etc. Every other use the internet can be put to is an inadvertant capability facilitated by all the porn distribution hardware and software that is currently in service.

 

Okay, I'm going to have to steal that for an RPG storyline for sure. Thanks much, you are just about to be repped.

[Lucius]

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Hyenas are matriarchal and they use said organ in their dominance rituals; the dominant female will mount the defeated one. They're like a species of lesbian BDSMrs.

 

Need any more soap?

 

No, I just need a citation. Where are you getting your information?

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary considers Vestnik a font of Gnolledge