AmadanNaBriona Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario By anime-level I was referring to the genre breakdown in Ninja Hero (i.e.: Real World' date=' Cinematic, Wuxia, Video Game, Anime).[/quote'] A-yup. I can imagine Gally from Battle Angel zipping up his spine and tunneling into his brain through his eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario A-yup. I can imagine Gally from Battle Angel zipping up his spine and tunneling into his brain through his eye. And most of the major characters from Dragonball Z could take him out with their fists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Anime and Wuxia make me blink when people tell me that Fantasy games must be played on 75+75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario By anime-level I was referring to the genre breakdown in Ninja Hero (i.e.: Real World' date=' Cinematic, Wuxia, Video Game, Anime).[/quote']A-yup. I can imagine Gally from Battle Angel zipping up his spine and tunneling into his brain through his eye. And most of the major characters from Dragonball Z could take him out with their fists.Yeah... none of these statements invalidate my opinion of anime. :shrug: Back on topic: Blue, using the monster as a baby/younger form was great for a couple of primary reasons. First, it lets you as the GM find the weak spots in so that you can tweak it while keeping the monster with the theme you want. Secondly, it can build some tension or anxiety in the players and PCs about what the "mother" figure out there is like. Good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Yeah... none of these statements invalidate my opinion of anime. :shrug: I take it you haven't seen Godzilla: Final Wars then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario I take it you haven't seen Godzilla: Final Wars then?Nope. And while I happen to have all the Godzilla movies Netflix offers in my queue in the 300s, since it's derailing the topic, I don't care to discuss it here (and really, not anywhere right now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Nope. And while I happen to have all the Godzilla movies Netflix offers in my queue in the 300s' date=' since it's derailing the topic, I don't care to discuss it here (and really, not anywhere right now).[/quote'] Actually, Final Wars isn't a derail. That movie gives us a five man (three men, two women) squad of virtual superhumans who's job is to battle kaiju and similar threats. And they manage to rather effectively destroy a crustacean kaiju with man-portable weapons. Granted, it's hard to say how they'd fare against Godzilla himself, but they are shown to be highly effective fighters against lesser foes. Just food for thought when considering just such a scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Actually' date=' [i']Final Wars[/i] isn't a derail. That movie gives us a five man (three men, two women) squad of virtual superhumans who's job is to battle kaiju and similar threats. And they manage to rather effectively destroy a crustacean kaiju with man-portable weapons. Granted, it's hard to say how they'd fare against Godzilla himself, but they are shown to be highly effective fighters against lesser foes. Just food for thought when considering just such a scenario. Also note that their leader, after a power upgrade, was able to boost Godzilla's powers enough to let him defeat King Ghidorah! For indeed, what force can stand against the united power of Superhero and Daikaiju? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Well... the American Godzilla had the benefits of roughly 40+ years of SFX improvements. I think the American Godzilla movie suffered from the same problems many recent 'homage" movies did. They were ok movies on their own but they were trying to live up to legends with very established conventions and feels, not to mention healthy fanbases. If they'd been named something else and presented as original films MAYBE with an inspired by label it they could have been recieved better. I did get a chuckle out of the thinly veiled reference to the American Godzilla in one of the more recent Japanese films though. Very true' date=' and the point on which the Broderick film most failed. Gojira, in the original film, isn't just a big monster. Symbolically, he is the sins of Man come back to haunt him, and is defeated not with weapons, but with honour, courage, and self-sacrifice. [/quote'] Godzilla was also, in many ways, a stand in for the US during World War 2. Not to say it was a propaganda film or anything of the sort but that was definitely part of the subtext many of the films. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario I did get a chuckle out of the thinly veiled reference to the American Godzilla in one of the more recent Japanese films though. Godzilla was also, in many ways, a stand in for the US during World War 2. Not to say it was a propaganda film or anything of the sort but that was definitely part of the subtext many of the films. Gojira/Godzilla specifically symbolized the atomic bomb. I've heard it said his footsteps were the sound of bombs impacting, his roar and air raid siren, and his atomic breath... well, that's obvious. The opening scene of Gojira also represents the fate of the Jpaanese fishing vessel Lucky Dragon which was hit with fallout from a US bomb test in the Pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Gojira/Godzilla specifically symbolized the atomic bomb. I've heard it said his footsteps were the sound of bombs impacting' date=' his roar and air raid siren, and his atomic breath... well, that's obvious. The opening scene of Gojira also represents the fate of the Jpaanese fishing vessel [i']Lucky Dragon[/i] which was hit with fallout from a US bomb test in the Pacific. The original film has extended sequences in hospitals with women and children dying from radiation sickness just from having been near during Gojira's rampage. The parallel was very strong, though later films became pure kids fare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Gojira/Godzilla specifically symbolized the atomic bomb. I've heard it said his footsteps were the sound of bombs impacting' date=' his roar and air raid siren, and his atomic breath... well, that's obvious. The opening scene of Gojira also represents the fate of the Jpaanese fishing vessel [i']Lucky Dragon[/i] which was hit with fallout from a US bomb test in the Pacific. I think we're largely saying the same thing; the scenario and themes of the movie were also symbolic of the war overall, except of course for the conclusion. Godzilla/Gojira was the overwhelming powerful enemy eventually overcome by strength, honor and sacrifice some of the hallmarks of Japanese culture. Some view the creature as veiled stand in the US in a re-creation of World War 2 with a slightly different ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario I think we're largely saying the same thing; the scenario and themes of the movie were also symbolic of the war overall' date=' except of course for the conclusion. Godzilla/Gojira was the overwhelming powerful enemy eventually overcome by strength, honor and sacrifice some of the hallmarks of Japanese culture. Some view the creature as veiled stand in the US in a recreation of World War 2 with a slightly different ending.[/quote'] True, although the booklet with the special DVD release I just bought states Godzilla was also meant to symbolize not only the atomic bombs that hit Japan (witness the shots of Tokyo after his rampage), but also unchecked nuclear aggression in general. Other giant monster movies tended to focus more on "man messing with nature" themes or a more generalized themes of "when science goes to far." Others (i.e. later movies) simply are smash fests in which you root for the monster simply because he's busting up a model landscape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario True, although the booklet with the special DVD release I just bought states Godzilla was also meant to symbolize not only the atomic bombs that hit Japan (witness the shots of Tokyo after his rampage), but also unchecked nuclear aggression in general. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say there was a single purpose or theme behind the creature or the film but that what I was talking about was one of them and that how films are interpreted changes over time. Other giant monster movies tended to focus more on "man messing with nature" themes or a more generalized themes of "when science goes to far." Others (i.e. later movies) simply are smash fests in which you root for the monster simply because he's busting up a model landscape. Anti war and ecological themes seem to be prevelant in a lot of Japanese entertainment, particularly sci fi and fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Here I thought it was all meant to symbolize men in rubber suits wrecking plastic trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narratio Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Anti war and ecological themes seem to be prevelant in a lot of Japanese entertainment' date=' particularly sci fi and fantasy.[/quote'] Godzilla vs The Smog Monster. With that wonderful Japanese attempt at 60's psychodelic TV show making (zoom in-zoom out-zoom in-zoom out...) and the English language song "We've got to save the Earth". It managed to combine both subjects into one magnificent "man in rubber suit destroys styrofoam city" flic. Meanwhile, back at the mentalists. Godzilla has rather a large brain. I mean physically it's enormous. And, it's active. Wouldn't a mentalist be rather like a 1 year old baby trying to crawl across a superhighway in early morning rush hour? There's a lot going on in that thing, concious or not, the synaptic traffic must be enormous. Got to be worth BIG mental defenses as the mentalist tries to find the motor control offswift or attempts to inject a command into the largest distributed array of neurons they've ever encountered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Godzilla vs The Smog Monster. With that wonderful Japanese attempt at 60's psychodelic TV show making (zoom in-zoom out-zoom in-zoom out...) and the English language song "We've got to save the Earth". It managed to combine both subjects into one magnificent "man in rubber suit destroys styrofoam city" flic. Oh man. I actually saw that one in the theatre as a kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Anti war and ecological themes seem to be prevelant in a lot of Japanese entertainment' date=' particularly sci fi and fantasy.[/quote'] My mistake... I should have specified American monster movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Actually' date=' [i']Final Wars[/i] isn't a derail. That movie....I guess that's why there were 12 posts in a row including this that didn't deal with the question Blue submitted. This thread has derailed from its topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted February 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Re: The Godzilla Scenario Hehe. S'alright. Carry on! I've gotten what I needed. And I appreciated the suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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