Ken Solo Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 How would you build a real world desk top computer for Champions? Here are the stats of one I found after a brief Google search. Can you make Champions stats for it? HP TouchSmart IQ804 Desktop PC Intel® Core™2 Duo (2.16GHz) Processor 4GB installed memory 500GB hard drive Slot-load SuperMulti DVD Burner Touch-enabled 25.5" diagonal widescreen BrightView LCD with tilt adjustment Wireless LAN (802.11b/g/n) with built-in WLAN antenna Watch, pause, rewind, and record live TV with the dual-format NTSC or over-air ATSC high-definition tuner Microsoft Windows Vista® Home Premium 64-bit edition with Service Pack 1 HS5ER p.459 Computers tells us a computer is written with INT, DEX and SPD. (Assuming non-AI) How do we do perephial features, like a wireless connection? This would be HRRH, but does the computer have Powers? Or is the power bought seperatly? The OS is a Program (Though running Vista might be considered a Phys. Disad) But the reall question is how much INT and Dex does the above computer have? Anyone come up with a conversion chart yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! Psych Lim: Hates all Humanity. oops, that's my computer. :nonp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! Psych Lim: Hates all Humanity. oops, that's my computer. :nonp: No. Trust me, that's all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrraBuss Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! I don't think there's a "conversion chart" for INT or DEX. "Slot-load SuperMulti DVD Burner Watch, pause, rewind, and record live TV with the dual-format NTSC or over-air ATSC high-definition tuner" These two are Images with Lims and shtuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptoid Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! I don't think there's much correlation between what's on our desk tops (and laptops) and what's in comic books, which is what the rules simulate. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJerry Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! I don't think you could build it with the computer rules but I think you could make it as a power.....A combination of Eidetic Memory and Lightning calculator with focus limitations, memory only good for digital media limitation, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! Extremely rough translation. . . (I'm making up numbers as I go for an example) INT - RAM, how much can be done at once DEX - CPU Speed SPD - CPU Speed Without putting any thought into a serious conversation matrix. Modern computers only (i.e. this is under a basic - and kinda true - assumption that older computers could handle a similar number of programs, only slower) 2 INT per 256MB RAM. 4GB of RAM would be about 32INT. Call it, 1SPD per CPU. A Quad Core would have 4 SPD. 5 DEX per 500Mhz, so 2Ghz machines get about 20 DEX. Internal HDDs are really completely SFX Based. As programs vary so massively in size. Writable Media - is SFX and/or Eidetic Memory. Absolute Time Sense for the clock. So, you know, just winging it really, your machine: INT: 32 DEX: 21 SPD: 2 Eidetic Memory Now, the biggest problem - is the suggest number of Programs Running/INT. Which is 1 Program for every 5 INT. This is a purely game design balance issue. I only have 2GB of RAM (16 INT per my rando-formula above). Which gives me 3 Programs under the suggested rules. I have 12 open currently. Granted, not all of them are doing anything but waiting for my attention. But several are "Executing Commands" (iTunes playing, Poser rendering, Email checking, FireFox being used) - I managed to exceed my active commands by 1. A better method here, is to determine how much INT each program occupies when open. It's a lot of overhead but might be better to model "real world computers" in "game terms." (for example Photoshop probably takes up 3 INT, while my text editor takes up 1 INT. Microsoft Word thinks it takes 14 INT, really only gets 2.) Anyway, HERO doesn't much do "real" computers but the system being what it is - you can assign SFX and easily manipulate it to model real world computers roughly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Impudite Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! Psych Lim: Hates all Humanity. oops, that's my computer. :nonp: No. Trust me' date=' that's all of them.[/quote'] Luckily then I'm not human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brionl Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! You know, you can go overboard with stating everything out. IMO actually creating computer stat sheets should be reserved for super-computer/AI level systems, not a mere desktop PC. Do you stat out the TV that they watch the news bulletins on? Sometimes you can just say "mmm, yeah, 5 points for misc mundane crap in the base." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! You know' date=' you can go overboard with stating everything out. IMO actually creating computer stat sheets should be reserved for super-computer/AI level systems, not a mere desktop PC. Do you stat out the TV that they watch the news bulletins on? Sometimes you can just say "mmm, yeah, 5 points for misc mundane crap in the base."[/quote'] This is sound advice. And it may be less than even 5 points of stuff. Personal Computers fall under "anyone can go out and get one" and should be free in any campaign, at least if it's just an off-the-shelf kind of computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brionl Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! 5 pts is for your PC, stereo, TV, telephone, etc. All that "misc crap". But yeah, I probably wouldn't bother charging for it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrraBuss Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! Extremely rough translation. . . (I'm making up numbers as I go for an example) INT - RAM, how much can be done at once DEX - CPU Speed SPD - CPU Speed I thot Steve says INT is mental quickness, not memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! I thot Steve says INT is mental quickness' date=' not memory.[/quote'] He does, but I needed a Characteristic that wasn't speed related (DEX and SPD), and I extrapolated from the idea of the optional rule that a Computer can only execute a number of programs equal to INT/5. So for purposes of Computers - and only Computers, and only in this instance - I made INT equate to RAM. Since RAM helps determine how many programs a computer can hold in buffer at once, and work with the execution of. Actual computations run through the CPU, at the CPUs speed, high DEX and SPD means a faster CPU. It's not a perfect translation, and it goes a bit left of center. But it's gamable so it passes the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egyptoid Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Re: Build my Computer! 5 pts is for your PC' date=' stereo, TV, telephone, etc. All that "misc crap". But yeah, I probably wouldn't bother charging for it anyway.[/quote'] We call it the WAL-MART rule. If you can buy it at Wal Mart, then it costs no Champs points. Except the rifles.... Don't forget most computers have the "Zero DCV concentration, unaware of surrounding events limitation" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Solo Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Re: Build my Computer! Actualy, I use the "Wal-Mart Rule" too. Common stuff is esentially free if the PC can rationalize why he has it. Usually it's as easy as "I buy it." In one adventure, the PC's did stop at a Meijer store to gear up on maps, first aids kits, flashlights, and snacks before heading off to the final confrontation. For the computer, we were mostly looking for a guage to mesure a super computer against. In the modern world we have computers all around us, but I really had no idea how they measure up to the aliens starship computer. Also, I made a low budget NPC super hero team, who's Base was a donated Plantation House, and the Computer was mearly a Gateway 400E. Thanks for the ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Re: Build my Computer! We call it the WAL-MART rule. If you can buy it at Wal Mart, then it costs no Champs points. Except the rifles.... Could we make it the Best Buy rule? Otherwise my cellphone is like 400 pts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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