Hermit Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 I was glancing at the list of super heroes in the CU in the Free stuff section, when I noticed something. There's no Scarlet Archer. I thought, after the last one retired with a resturant chain (See Millennium City for details) surely someone had picked it up. But nay. Twould seem the name drifts about unused. Of course, Millennium City itself is full of names just itching to be reused, though one couldn't blame folks for being shy. After all, Ocelot,Vigil, Shadowboxer and many others fell in the Battle of Detroit. A new Scarlet Shield would have a lot to contend with no doubt. Still, names like this are just itching to be used. Frankly, I wonder if "Straight Arrow" of Baltimore isn't the last Scarlet Archer's former sidekick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Well if we go way back, Arc and Neutron would seem to be free. As would Rainbow Archer. And for that matter Plasmoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Sorry, was talking 5th Edition Universe, though obviously some names from 4th are free as well... but there's no legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 There's always the possibilty of a hero calling himself. . . CAPTAIN PATRIOT Although this hero would have some mighty big super-boots to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 How could I forget CP? Originally posted by wcw43921 There's always the possibilty of a hero calling himself. . . CAPTAIN PATRIOT Although this hero would have some mighty big super-boots to fill. Yup. And you'd have to have a geniune square jaw, chinless pansies need not apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Well, comparing the free list of currently active CU heroes and villains with characters mentioned in Champions Universe, this is what I came up with: 19th Century: El Lobo (Mexico) Grey Ghost (Confederate patriot hero) Black Eagle (Britain WW I) Pulp Era: Cobra Futurian Grey Guardian Golden Age (Allies): Captain Patriot Dr. Twilight Optimus Nightingale Cowboy Lady Mystery Sea Hawk Scarlet Archer General Winter (Russia) Lady Lightning Streak American Eagle Sergeant Battle Swashbuckler Bulletproof Mister X Silver Age: Vanguard (although the French government team uses that name) El Espectro (Mexico) Siren Rocket Man Microman Dr. Phantom Mountain Dr. Scarab Dreamsinger Sea King Scirocco Ocelot Kid Chameleon Scarlet Shield Modern: El Aguila (Mexico) Shadowboxer Goblin Icestar Vigil Tiger Note that I did not include Axis supers in the Golden Age list since they usually functioned as "villains" in GA campaigns; moreover it's sometimes difficult to tell from their descriptions whether their motivations were actually villainous, or heroic but just on the "wrong side." I'm also not sure how they would be remembered in their home countries. OTOH there is still some Confederate nostalgia in the southern United States, and after all this time the Grey Ghost might be a legitimate legacy identity. There was also a Streak II in the Silver Age, but he's officially retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Thanks L.L., That's exactly the sort of list I was hoping for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Watts Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Well, for several of those names there's a little too much baggage for someone unrelated to take on the name- I don't think any young hero is going to want to call himself "Kid Chameleon II" and face the press after the massive celebrity and tragic death of the original. And some of those guys you listed, despite having begun their careers in the Silver Age, aren't retired yet: notably, Dr. Scarab (who'll get more ink in "Vibora Bay") and Sea Hawk. And to be really technical, the Scarlet Archer with the restaurant is actually the second of THAT name, just to confuse the issue. All of this will eventually be made more clear, either in the pages of Digital Hero or the forthcoming Silver Age and Golden Age books. dw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Didn't mean to jump the gun, Mr. Watts - just going by the information that I had. I pretty much assumed that any of your company's moribund character names could be given a new identity whenever you chose to, except those like Professor Muerte who have been definitively declared persona non grata in the new CU. OTOH would it not be safe to assume that someone declared to have perished, with no replacement listed, would be fair game as the basis for a legacy character until the company did assign the name to a new bearer? Sometimes the very limiting factors you mention can work to make a character interesting, though. For example, someone appearing who claims to be the original Kid Chameleon, apparently identical to the Kid as he was when he died. Clone? Another shape-shifter posing as him? Genuine article miraculously returned? How did he get here? How will he adjust to the changes in the world since his "death?" Would the public accept him given "his" previous very public demise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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