[5th/6th Editions]Naked Advantages and Power Frameworks

[Tywyll]

How do Naked Advantages interact with Power Frameworks if the advantage would take the AP above its reserve? Is this okay or do you need the advantage to somehow apply to the slot and the reserve (like Adjustment Powers)? If you do need it to work this way, does that mean you'd need to buy the advantage twice? 

[dsatow]

This is probably a question you should ask Steve in the 6th ed question forum.

 

FWIW, as long as the naked advantage is outside any framework and only applies to a limited number of slots and doesn't exceed the active point limits (adv. plus base power) I, as GM, set, it would be fine.

[Tywyll]

On 12/11/2019 at 5:37 PM, dsatow said:

This is probably a question you should ask Steve in the 6th ed question forum.

 

FWIW, as long as the naked advantage is outside any framework and only applies to a limited number of slots and doesn't exceed the active point limits (adv. plus base power) I, as GM, set, it would be fine.

 

What if the naked advantage were in a different frame work, would that matter? Like you had a Multipower with blast, flight, mindcontrol, and teleport (or whatever) and  you had a different one with Naked AP, Naked AoE, Naked No Range Penalties, etc tec etc?

[Gnome BODY (important!)]

5 minutes ago, Tywyll said:

What if the naked advantage were in a different frame work, would that matter? Like you had a Multipower with blast, flight, mindcontrol, and teleport (or whatever) and  you had a different one with Naked AP, Naked AoE, Naked No Range Penalties, etc tec etc?

That's illegal RAW.  "[A] slot in a Power Framework cannot add to or modify a slot in the same or another Power Framework, or the same or another Power Framework as a whole." FREDp310 and 6e1p398. 

If a player approached me with such a construct, I'd point out that they're getting "more" Multipower slots than they're buying by doing so and while clever, they should be paying for all those slots. 

[tombrown803]

3 hours ago, Tywyll said:

 

What if the naked advantage were in a different frame work, would that matter? Like you had a Multipower with blast, flight, mindcontrol, and teleport (or whatever) and  you had a different one with Naked AP, Naked AoE, Naked No Range Penalties, etc tec etc?

 

Per RAW, you can't use one framework to modify powers in another of your framworks

[Surrealone]

Naked advantages are considered 'special powers' and cannot be placed in frameworks per RAW.  The GM can, of course, rule otherwise.

[dsatow]

Just a side note, if I see a Naked Advantage power on a character sheet, warning flags immediately pop into my head similar to when I see a VPP.  I begin to question:

 

1) Why not add the Naked Advantage as a normal advantage to the power?

2) Are they trying to skirt an active point limitation in the game?

 

I don't know about other GMs, that's just the way it makes me react.  Naked Advantage Powers can be cool to a character concept, just don't abuse the GM with it.

[PhilFleischmann]

Yeah, naked advantages can be used as a way to get a munchkin build past a confused GM.  For example:

 

60 Point MP

6 12d6 Blast

6 4d6 RKA

6 6d6 Blast AoE

6 6d6 Flash

 

30 Naked Advantage:  Armor Piercing to add to any slot in the above Multipower.

 

PURE CHEESE.  Player earns a slap in the face.

[IndianaJoe3]

16 hours ago, dsatow said:

Naked Advantage Powers can be cool to a character concept, just don't abuse the GM with it.

 

Sometimes a Naked Advantage is the only way to build a power. For example, Guardian's glitterbombs (Darkness) don't affect himself or his clients, because they're wearing special polarizing glasses that counteract the sparkling dust. I decided to model this with Personal Immunity, Usable by Other as a Naked Advantage.

[Tywyll]

Ah, good catch (illegability) I didn't know that.