RenegadeDuck Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 My husband and I recently started looking into the Champion's 6e game but one thing I can't seem to find both in the book or outside of it is a series of sort of...generic bad guy mooks. Not super heroes or villians, there's plenty of examples of those but like...generic gangster number 1 of 10 you can easily toss at your heroes so they can chew through them on the way to the big bads. Does anyone have any advice or a resource they use to generate these? With enough time I'm sure we could stat up some basic guys using the various non heroic power levels but that seems like a lot of work to go through for some basic fodder, any suggestions? BigJackBrass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 Do you happen to use the Hero Designer character-generating software? The free file downloads section of this website has files for it with stats for a variety of thugs from different backgrounds, which I can point you to if that would help. RenegadeDuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeDuck Posted May 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 I've heard of the Hero Designer program and considered it, I've just been holding off so far just because we haven't fully tested the system, so far it's just been reading and theory crafting. If there are a good series prebuilt characters I might bite that bullet, I'm hoping these prebuilt ones have sort of 25-100cp sorta enemies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 Not having Hero Designer myself, I can't speak to what's on the .hdc files directly. If you're interested you could send a private message inquiry to their creator, our forum colleague dsatow. FWIW here are his files showing the range of what they cover: https://www.herogames.com/profile/7131-dsatow/content/?type=downloads_file However, from what you say you want and your present circumstances, if you're willing to spend $1.00 US I think you may be better served by this PDF, Dark Champions 6th Edition Templates. These templates are packages of Characteristic adjustments, Skills, and Complications to add to a basic normal person's starting character sheet, to quickly create characters for a variety of backgrounds, with options for customization. These were created for Hero's "Dark Champions" modern-day heroic adventure game line, but since you want normal people for your supers to interact with they would be appropriate. And of course, they can easily be made more formidable just by starting with more character points before you add the template. The various categories of template in the PDF are: Criminal Templates: Cat Burglar, Gangster, Grifter, Hacker, Terrorist Espionage Templates: Analyst, Assassin, Cinematic Spy, Field Agent Law Enforcement: BATF Agent, DEA Agent, FBI Special Agent, Police Officer, Secret Service Agent Military Templates: Basic Military Training, Delta Force, Ranger, Recon, Special Forces (Green Berets), U.S. Navy SEALs Miscellaneous Templates: Bounty Hunter, Private Investigator, Vigilante Panpiper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 I’ll second LL on this. For $1 it’s a steal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 Oh for quick thugs I use skilled normals and tweak as needed. And if I want really easy thugs, normals. Also for really quick and dirty, I just give said bad guys a PS: Thugs say 12-. This covers any skill the thug should have but I forgot to put down on the sheet. Example -Lockpicking, whoops I forgot So thug #3 will try at 12- adjust cause he doesn’t have the actual skill and viola 11-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawsplay Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Skilled or competent normals are fine for ordinary thugs, or weird weapon wielders. Beyond that you are probably looking at some supplementary material, although, as noted above, some of those materials are cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roiyal-T Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 I was just looking for the same thing. I am glad I'm not the only one who is hunting down... Generic "Mook" cause what hero campaign doesn't have thug #2 getting himself into scrapes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 Here's something to keep in mind -- the actual stats of the mook don't matter so much as does how much lower they are than the PCs. Telling you that Vinnie the Snitch has an OCV of 5 doesn't help you if you don't know where the PCs should be. A difference in OCV/DCV of 3 or more will mean that the character with the higher number will have a much easier time of hitting his opponent, while the character with the lower number will have a much harder time. https://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/tech_reports/3_dice_rolls.php#.XtFulkRKiUk This page has a 3D6 distribution chart at the bottom. In the middle column they have percentage chance to roll under a given number. So let's say that Vinnie the Snitch has an OCV/DCV of 5. If Captain Amazing has an OCV/DCV of 9, then that means he needs a 15- to hit, whereas Vinnie will need a 7- to hit the good Captain. 15- means the Captain is hitting 95% of the time, while 7- means the gangster hits only 16% of the time (about 1 in 6). Of course if Captain Amazing decides to dodge, his DCV goes up by 3 and Vinnie needs a 4- (less than 2%) to hit. Whereas if our thug dodges, his DCV goes to 8 and the Captain still hits on a 12- (74% of the time). So the OCV/DCV difference is important. Another thing to look at is the Speed differential. Having an extra 2 points of Speed is a big advantage in combat. A Speed 4 character will have a lot of trouble with a Speed 6 character if all other things are equal. The Speed 6 character can afford to block, dodge, take recoveries, or other defensive actions that the Speed 4 character can't. Then look at the average damage of an attack compared to a character's Def + Con, and Def + Stun. If your heroes throw 12D6 attacks, the average damage is 42 Stun and 12 Body. Hitting a character with 8 Def means they take 4 Body and 34 Stun. If that exceeds their Con score, they are stunned and lose their next action. If it exceeds their current Stun total, it means they are unconscious. What this means is that superheroes can often "spread" their ranged attacks and affect multiple characters who are standing side by side. If Captain Amazing shoots his Optic Vision at a crowd of thugs, (4 guys sitting at a card table), he may be able to hit all four of them by only spreading a few dice. If his 12D6 attack lowers down to 8D6, then he's still doing 28 Stun on average, minus their 8 Def and each character is taking 20 Stun. He will almost certainly cost all those thugs their next phase, and might knock them all out. In general, because I'm lazy, I tend to give generic thugs and mooks straight 15s in their primary physical stats. 15 Str, 15 Dex, 15 Con. Give them 10 PD and ED and a 3 Speed. 5 OCV/DCV and about 25 Stun is good. They'll carry weapons that are in the 6-8 damage class range. These are not meant to be threats to superheroes. They are very dangerous threats to normal people though. But most of the heroes in our games have OCV/DCV of 8 or above, Speeds of 5-7, and Defenses of 30 or so. They chuck 12+D6 attacks and so mooks are little more than targets for them. But that's how we like to play, mooks are just the warmup for the real fights. Roiyal-T, Amorkca and Panpiper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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