SleepyDrug

Re: Surgical Sterility Field

I first thought of CE actually. But Change Environment only provides penalties. What would I penalize to create a sterile field? "-4 to bacterial growth"?

 

good point

 

LS: Diseases works as medications, but if it's only in a hospital room (Area Effect) the character's illness will return as soon as he leaves sick bay. Furthermore, an bacterial or viral infection is not a disease and I see no reason LS: All Terrestrial Diseases will prevent that.

 

Isn't that the point? It's a sterility field to create a clean surgical/treatment area, right? LS: All Terrestrial Diseases includes viral or bacterial infections, don't get too caught up in word semantics.

 

Changing my version to "Only Effects Harmful Bacteria and Germs" is a good idea; although I thought it would clearly affect surface germs anyway. If it can't penetrate the skin of a human it obviously can't kill bacteria inside.

 

Thanks for the input.

 

The problem I have with this, unless your game differs here, is that most diseases in Hero are created not as creatures with BOD stats but as Drains. In which case, a RKA will not effect them.

 

What about a Dispel vs. Drains, Only Against Harmful Bacteria & Germs?

Re: Computers In Star Hero

I'm not a big fan of the VPP for a lot of things

 

I like the idea of a multipower with set slots for the programs you have loaded

so there are limits on just how much you can have running at once

even an AI has its limits, at least in my universe.

 

It is an interesting approach depending on what type of tech you want

 

I also dont allow VPP for sensor arrays, they are hardwired and installed when the ship is built, but you cant just decide yesterdays meson comm link is a tachyon beam dictator or Hyperpulse generator.

but I grew up with old school traveller and space opera, and old habits die hard

 

Then what type of sensors do you use, since each ship is limited to a set list?

Re: Recovery and Endurance logic

Using your brain to do math or physics(which would be represented by skills, not powers) is very different from using it to say, throw cars around with TK too though.

Re: Non-standard mythologies

Versions of the greek and norse abound, but they are easy to identify.

Major personality traits, rough powers/abilities, and spheres of influence of the Greek or Norse gods are easy to find.

Making sense of the names and spheres of influence of...the egyptian gods is harder. Horus, Ra, Amon-Ra, and Helieos are all gods of the sun.

This is why you see less egyptian gods.

Re: Non-standard mythologies

Greek mythology has well documented spheres of control and personalities for the gods and heroes. it is very easy to find information.

Norse mythology is a good runner-up on those points.

Egyptian mythology has a lot of overlap between the gods.

Celtic myth is hard to find useful information on. Pantheon.org requires a lot of footwork for a project like this.

Re: Mystical artifacts

And those ever annoying Crowns of Krim

...the stone crown, the dirt crown, the iron crown

Re: Power Armor EC Question

What is wrong with MPs or VPPs for magic or mystical powers? I would think they would be more effective.

 

 

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I see nothing wrong with it.

My take is:

Multi-Power :: no restrictions on theme or power types, just so long as they can be "classified" as one power. Remember, MP's get dispelled as a unit. But Power Armor, Arrows, Optic Blasts, Fire Creation, Magic, Telepathy are all good MP SFX.

Elemental Control :: must have a widely recognized list of powers. the powers in an EC should require no explanation as to how they fit there. Good examples include weather control, fire powers, ice powers, elemental, demonic, classic power armor, classic super brick, telepathy, telekinesis, or matter control.

Variable Power Pool :: good for any SFX that can justify a sizable portion of the power list or vast reworkings of type and modifiers. Gadgeteer, Armory, Magic, Cosmic, Mimicry, and Metamorph are good examples

Re: Blown Away...

Boy, you guys are amazing. I Love this forum.

 

Most other RPG forums I've seen would just tell the guy...

 

"You're stupid. That can't work because blah blah, and blah de blah and blee de dee. Just sit down and don't make waves."

 

While I certainly agree with Shrike, the Champions Universe is already an amalgamated DC/Marvel setting... very much so, you guys still never fail to come up with a whole slew of cool ideas.

 

Just thought I'd take a moment to say that.

Thanks...ZenStorm, however you are being ticketed for not giving humantorch101 or myself any helpful suggestions.

And yes, while Champions Universe default does tribute DC and Marvel, many of the tributes are drastically altered. In fact, many heroes in comics proper are villains in Champions

Fantastic Four = Terror Inc

Professor Muerte = Reed as Dr Doom

Giganto = Thing

Feur = Human Torch

Scorpia = Invisible Woman

PSI = X-Men turned evil

Viperia = Supergirl/Power Girl

Re: one question...

On the note of taking a break my group will juggles campaigns to keep things fresh. We skip between Dark Champions, Champions, and Star Wars/Hero

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

For my own purposes i am gonna go through the published characters for 5th edition champs and state if they are being used and describe any changes made in basic terms.

 

I'm doing this as well, for my Champions Universe setting. I'm also trying to mirror/tribute comic characters. I don't have the 5th Champions sourcebook, just the 4th BBB and Classic Enemies. So most of my heroes are new

 

So far I have...

 

Victor (Superman tribute)

Nighthawk (Batman)

Patriot (Captain America)

Defender (Iron Man) from BBB

Amazing Man (Elongated Man)

Prodigy (Mr Terrific II)

Phantasm (Shadowcat)

Troll (Thing)

Firehawk (Human Torch/Firehawk)

Solitaire (Zatanna) from BBB

Hercules (Hercules)

Quantum (Firestorm) from BBB

 

I'm not sure about the 5th Champions, since i haven't seen the sourcebook but I might track it down. Also not sure what other comic characters I want to tribute as heroes.

Re: Vampire: the Masquerade using the HERO system

PDF link doesn't work for me

Re: Power Armor EC Question

What about Speed ECs?

If a player could give me a Classic Speedster list of powers. The two most iconic speedsters in comics, the Flash and Quicksilver have totally different powers. The traditional Flash power set is not conducive to a EC, I built him on a multi-power.

I'd accept "Classic Super-Brick" with Strength, Constitution, Armor/FF, Flight, Energy Blast.

Electrical Bob is fine. Mutant Bob I would say no. Mutant Bob, Master of Weather is fine. Mutant Bob, Master Of Electrics is a yes (can teleport by way of conductive surfaces ... sure, why not!). Battlesuit Bob in no. Magic Ring Bob is no as well. Magic Talisman Bob same as Magic Ring Bob. Technogeek Bob is no but should look as VPPs

So what your really saying is that EC's in your campaign are not available for a good theme: classic power armor, classic super-brick, weather control, fire control, telekinesis....if the character wants to limit the EC via a focus?

What is the difference between EC: Classic Power Armor, OIF (- 1/2) and Fire Creation, Not in Water/Vacuum (- 1/4), Activation Roll 15- (- 1/4)?

Re: one question...

well, any attack (eb, rka, ha, str) is just a means of delivering stun and body damage. i focus on what fits the character concept and i have my own range markers based on the 4th ed BBB commentary of the mechanics of combat and math of stats.

For example, it stated that average defense should be 2x maximum dc and max defense should be 2 1/2x maximum dc. Thus in your game (9 DC max) the average def should be 18 and the max def should be 23. I run a 12 dc game with an average def of 24 and a max def of 30. These numbers do not reflect special attacks or defenses.

As for spicing up the game....

1) character -- villains and supporting cast don't die or disappear often. thus rivalries, fueds, and recurring characters are a staple feature. make your players look forward to crossing swords with evilvillainman again.

2) continuity -- i publish a "newspaper" (which is basically headlines and 3-4 sentinces) so the major supporting cast and villains can establish a history, sub-plots can be introduced, and the campaign world can reflect on the characters. in one campaign, the editorial feature on our group was actually written by the secret id of one of the players (a shazam type multi-form); it created havoc when his id was exposed to the group. "you called me an idiot!", "what do you mean i have no sense of tactics?", "if you don't like my piloting, you fly the jet"

3) nifty places to fight -- in super heroics, you can fight almost anywhere. We've pitched battles in city streets, undersea bases, starships in deep space, floating platforms high above the city, university campus's, and villain bases. be creative

Re: Power Armor EC Question

I do allow "classic sfx" as EC themes. In this case, power armor types generally have certain powers.

Classic Power Armor EC

-- Strength

-- Armor/Force Field

-- Flight

-- Energy Blast/RKA

-- "magnetic" tk

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

You've Forgotten another team Archetype: the POWR PACK type team;

consisting of preadolescent superheroes,preferably siblings of a family receiving powers from an dying alien.

The "pre-adolescent" or "young hero" genre is typified by the Titans. Power Pack is not archtypical

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

Thks Sleepydrug for taking the time to post your info, much appreciated. The timeline in particular should be helpful.

 

Rgds

Torch

No problem.

I've thought that in most universes we've seen little in how things fit together.

Re: Disease?

Drains are the traditional method used to simulate diseases by most GM's and HERO as seen in the Hero Beastiary and other books.

A Body Drain can kill....at 0 Bod your dead

Re: Warlord class Superdreadnought

Whats the deal with fighters being listed as custom powers?

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

A couple good places on-line to find comic atlas's are

The Atlas of the DC Universe

http://www.karridian.net/dcatlas.html

and the Marvel Atlas Project

http://www.aub.dk/%7Ehenckel/map.html

not sure if Wakanda is in the right place.

The Atlas of DC Universe has the following:

Blüdhaven, NJ - home of Nightwing

Civic City, Pa. - location of the first headquarters of the JSA

Fairfax, Me. - former home of Chris King and Vicki Grant (Dial-H for Hero)

Gotham City, NJ - home of the Batman

Happy Harbor, RI - location of the Secret Sanctuary

Ivy Town, Ct. - home of the Atom (Ray Palmer), who teaches at Ivy U

Metropolis, De. - home of Superman

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

Year Twelve (2001)

- JLA reformed by Batman & Superman; fight white martians

- JLA Watchtower built on the moon

- Final Night; Hal Jordan dies

- JLA reorganizes to 12 member set up

- Prometheus assaults Watchtower base during a press conference

- Onslaught; most iconic heroes fall

Year Thirteen (2002)

- Thunderbolts debut

Year Fourteen (2003)

- iconic Heroes Return

- JSA reforms to fight Mordru; Hector Hall debuts as Fate IV

- Thunderbolts revealed as Masters of Evil; Zemo nearly conquers earth

- Titans reform

- New Warriors disband

- Young Justice form

- Days of Judgment; Hal Jordan becomes the Spectre

- Hawkeye joins Thunderbolts

- Hawkman returns to life

Year Fifteen (2004)

- Avengers gain quasi-national status

- Plantman becomes Blackheath

- FF debut new Baxter Building

- Thunderbolts reorganize; Hawkeye rejoins the Avengers; Liberty debuts

- Princes of Darkness (Mordru, Obsidian, Eclipso) nearly conquer earth

- Graduation Day; Titans and Young Justice disband

- Warriors, Titans reform

- Impulse becomes Kid Flash II

...present day

this is a timeline any fan of comics should be able to follow and fill in the pieces between the benchmark events.

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

Year Ten (1999)

- New Warriors form

- Galactic Storm

- Titan's form under Arsenal's leadership with US ties

- Aqualad becomes Tempest; Marvel Boy becomes Justice

- government disbands Arsenal's Titans

Year Eleven (2000)

- New Warriors fight the Sphinx; travel through time

- JLA disbands

- Loren Jupiter and Omen form a Teen Titans team

- Wonder Girl II debuts

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

Year Seven (1996)

- Crisis on Infinite Earths; Flash II dies; Kid Flash debuts as Flash III

- Marvel Boy debuts

- Captain Marvel II changes name to Morningstar

- JSA enters limbo to prevent ragnarok

- Billy Batson debuts as Captain Marvel III

- Siege of Avengers Mansion

- Thanos targets earth's Legends; temporary ban on paranormals

- Captain Atom debuts

- JLA disbands following deaths of Steel and Vibe

- Pym comes out of retirement as Doctor Pym

- Wonder Girl becomes Troia

Year Eight (1997)

- Avengers disband

- J L A reforms; Maxwell Lord seizes control of the team

- Iron Man wages an Armor War

- Outsiders disband

- Joker cripples Barbara Gordon...retiring Batgirl

- Justice League splits into JLA and JLE with new UN ties

- Firestar debuts

- Joker kills Robin II

- Oracle debuts

- JSA is rescued from limbo

- Inferno

- Robin III debuts

- Captain America reforms the Avengers

- Eclipso attempts to take over all of earth's heroes

- Avengers replace Justice League as the UN's global team

- Acts of Vengeance

- Doomsday; Superman apparently killed

Year Nine (1998)

- four new Supermen debut

- Speedy becomes Arsenal; Speedball debuts

- Infinity Gauntlet

- Impulse arrives from the 30th century

- villainous Cyborg destroys Coast City

- Superman awakens from his coma

- Hal Jordan goes on destructive rampage; Green Lantern V (kyle) debuts

- Zero Hour

- JSA retires

- Pym returns as Giant-Man

- Titans disband; Starfire leaves earth

- JLA splits into JLA, Extreme Justice, JL Task Force

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

Year Four (1993)

- Professor X forms a new team to rescue the X-Men from Krakoa

- Black Knight IV, Batgirl debuts

- Giant Man becomes Yellowjacket

- Firestorm, Moonstone debut

- Teen Titans reform and soon after disband again; Titans West

- Avengers fight Korvac

- Ant Man II debuts

Year Five (1994)

- Masters of Evil III frame Dr Pym; Hawkeye kills Egghead; Dr Pym retires

- Infinity Inc, She-Hulk, Nova debut

- Dark Phoenix Saga

- Captain Marvel II (rambeau) debuts

Year Six (1995)

- Beyonder hosts a Secret War

- Batman quits JLA and forms the Outsiders

- Power Man changes name to Goliath; Robin changes to Nightwing

- Nova loses his powers

- Raven reforms the Titans to fight Trigon; Starfire & Cyborg debut

- Dire Wraith Invasion

- Jason Todd debuts as Robin II

- JLA satellite base destroyed

- Aquaman disbands JLA, forms Detroit branch

- Vision directs Hawkeye to form Avengers West

- Vision struggles with his control crystal; attempts to conquer earth

- Doom destroys the Baxter Building

- Four Freedoms Plaza built

- Thor and Don Blake split

- Mutant Massacre

- Beyonder arrives on earth; sparks Secret War II

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

Marvel DC/Timeline

Year Zero (1989)

- Fantastic Four's focket flight; debut in NYC

- Clark Kent debuts as Superman in Metropolis

- The Fixer begins operating as a criminal

- Don Blake finds mjolnir and transforms into Thor

- Abe Jenkins starts to operate as the Beetle

- Metropolis creates the first anti-paranormal Special Crimes Unit

- Tony Stark designs the first Iron Man armor to save his life in China

- Dr Pym discovers Pym Particles and uses them to become Ant-Man

Year One (1990)

- Bruce Wayne debuts in Gotham City as Batman

- Barry Allen debuts as Flash II

- Abin Sur, dying, passes his ring to Hal Jordan...Green Lantern II

- Dinah Lance debuts as Black Canary II

- Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch join the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants

- Wasp, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman all debut

- Justice League forms

- Avengers form

- Elongated Man, Hawkeye, Wonder Woman debut

- Pym changes from Ant-Man to Giant-Man

- Avengers locate Captain America

- Zatanna, Wonder Girl, Kid Flash debut

Year Two (1991)

- Speedy debuts; Teen Titans form

- Wonder Man & Plantman debut

- Avengers roster shift to Cap's Kooky Quartet

Year Three (1992)

- Mr Fantastic & Invisible Girl wed

- Ultron creates the Vision

- Erik Josten becomes Power Man

- JLA relocates to satellite hq

- Hercules debuts

- Teen Titans disband

- Franklin Richards is born

- Kree/Skrull War

Re: Building a DC/Marvel Amalgam Universe

SleepyDrug's Marvel/DC Universe

Who's Who

The Avengers -- Known as the Earth's Mightiest Heroes, the Avengers operate under a special UN charter giving them quasi-national status and global police powers to counter any threat of paranormal or extraterrestrial nature.

Members: Wasp, Captain America, Iron Man, Hercules, Zatanna, Captain Atom, Vision, Hawkeye

Reserves: Giant-Man, Scarlet Witch, She-Hulk, Quicksilver, Morningstar (Photon/Captain Marvel II), Black Knight, Thor, Ant-Man II

Fantastic Four -- The premiere team of the heroic age. Explorers and guardians against cosmic or interdimensional threats.

Members: Mr Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, Thing

J L A -- The league is the Earth's last line of defense against any and all threats. Members are the strongest, most powerful, most experienced that the world has to offer. Reserves are drawn from all frontline heroes but the active watch are those actually considered to be JLA.

Members: Aquaman, Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, Elongated Man, Firestorm, Flash III, Green Lantern V, Superman, Wonder Man, Fate, Wonder Woman, (floating member)

J S A -- Semi active team oriented towards setting the standard for heroes. The core members debuted in WWII. The Justice Society acts as a crisis reserve, political point group, and training center.

Members: Wildcat, Sentinel, Flash, Mr Terrific, Dr Mid-Nite, Namor, Hawkgirl, Stargirl, Atom-Smasher

Warriors -- Originally a group of young heroes that has since disbanded and reformed. Now a team of heroes that hunt villains and crime organizations before they can create a crisis.

Members: Nightwing, Arsenal, Nova, Justice, Firestar, Jade, Metamorpho

Titans -- the latest incarnation of the original teen group. This version consists of veterans training novices.

Members: Cyborg, Speedball, Starfire, Superboy, Robin, Kid Flash, Wonder Girl

Thunderbolts -- former criminals turned wanna-be heroes

Members: Moonstone, Atlas, Liberty (riordan), Fixer, Blackheath, Mach-4, Songbird

X-Men -- a band of outlaw heroes and now the public face of the mutant problem. Based at Xavier's School for the Gifted.

Members: Cyclops, Iceman, Archangel, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Sage, Storm, Colossus, Rogue, Phoenix III

Solo Heroes: Batman, Dr Strange, Hulk, Spider-Man, Silver Surfer, Oracle, Shadowcat