I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

[Matt Holck]

here is the base character

 

Sunset (A Gold Scaled Dragon) 

VAL   CHA   Cost   Notes
             3
60    STR     30   3 levels permanent growth
23    DEX     39   
23    CON     26   
13    BODY     6   3 levels permanent growth
13    INT      3  
11    EGO      2   
25    PRE     15   
14    COM      2   
            123
30(12)PD       6   12 Armor OIF 15- Gold Scales difficult to replace 
30(12)ED      13   12 Armor OIF 15- Gold Scales difficult to replace 
6     KBR      6    3 levels permanent growth + Cold Scale OIF
            148
4    SPD      7   
17    REC     
46    END    
55    STUN   
            155
15    Flight     


CHA Cost: 155

Cost   POWERS

25 Gold Scale Armor OIF difficult to replace
(21)  12/12 Armor 15-
(4)  3 points knockback resist

5 Extra-Limbs neck wings tail back claw

15 30 POINT EC DRAGON
15 4 Hex Stretching no end (wings and tail)
10 15'' Flight (requires a megahex of space -1/2)
15 2d6 HKA

5 Points Life Support Water Breathing

75    MULTIPOWER 
7u   12d6 Energy Bolt Fire 1/2 endurance
5u   10d6 explosion cone no range
1u   swimming + freeaction

     23
Statts155
Armor  25
Limbs   5
life sup 5
EC     55
MP     88
     333

Value  DISADVANTAGES
20     Distinctive features Dragon always notice extreme reaction
20     Distinctive features Gold Scales always notice extreme reaction
20     Physical limitation 12' long dragon limitation 800 kg all the time greatly impairing

AS you can see

I've got 17 points left

and need disadvantages

[Hyper-Man]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

If a character is always large, it's recommended to buy the individual effects separately instead of using Growth (ie; KB Resistance, STR, STUN, etc..). So the Dragon actually wears a suite of Gold armor? Interesting idea.

[Bloodstone]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

This is supposed to be a D&D Gold Dragon?

 

Am I reading it right that the dragon's scales are OIFs ? This means someone can take them away from him in one turn if he's knocked out or otherwise unable to resist

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

Am I reading it right that the dragon's scales are OIFs ? This means someone can take them away from him in one turn if he's knocked out or otherwise unable to resist

 

 

yes sir, the dragon can be descaled

probably require a 40 str or similar power to do it in one turn

but in a champions game that is not a large issue.

The armor require a 39 Strength to carry 3 levels density over 3 levels growth - 1/8 mass.

 

Note that the armor has activation, a single phase of striping might reduce that activation roll.

 

In any case,

descaling is not comfortable and could be counted as a susceptibility.

Though if the character is already unconscious,

that could turn into a "and stay down" move.

 

This is supposed to be a D&D Gold Dragon?

 

well, chlorine gas would fit nicely in the multipower

5d6 NND explosion x2 Radius Self Immune (25+1+0.5+0.25+0.25=75)

 

 

If a character is always large' date=' it's recommended to buy the individual effects separately instead of using Growth (ie; KB Resistance, STR, STUN, etc..). So the Dragon actually wears a suite of Gold armor? Interesting idea.[/quote']

 

can I get strength on an EC?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Buys water breathing and swimming so as the dragon has some place to hide.

 

I don't have my book

what does "free action in water" cost?

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I am not very familiar with D&D, but here is a try I had a while ago.

 

[b] - [/b]

[b][u]VAL[/u]   [u]CHA[/u]   [u]Cost[/u]   [u]Total[/u]   [u]Roll[/u]      [u]Notes[/u][/b]
75    STR     50   75      24-       HTH Damage 15d6  END [7]
18    DEX     24   18      13-       OCV 6 DCV 6
25    CON     30   25      14-
18    BODY    10   18      13-
14    INT     4   14      12-       PER Roll 12-
11    EGO     2   11      11-       ECV: 4
50    PRE     10   50      19-       PRE Attack: 10d6
10    COM     0   10      11-
30    PD      18   30             30 PD (30 rPD)
24    ED      19   24             24 ED (24 rED)
4    SPD     12   4                 Phases:  3, 6, 9, 12
17    REC     0   17
50    END     0   50
61    STUN    0   61
6    RUN      0   6"                END [1]
2    SWIM     0   2"                END [1]
15    LEAP     0   15"                15" forward, 7 1/2" upward

[b]CHA Cost: 179[/b]

[b][u]Cost[/u]   [u]POWERS[/u][/b]
35     [b][i]Resilence[/i][/b]: Damage Resistance (30 PD/25 ED), Hardened (+1/4) (35 Active Points) - END=0
5     [b][i]Tail[/i][/b]: Extra Limb (1) - END=0
5     Nightvision - END=0
5     Mental Awareness - END=0
10     [b][i]Draconic Powers[/i][/b]: Elemental Control, 20-point powers - END=
24     1)  [b][i]Draconic Size[/i][/b]: Growth (+15 STR, +3 BODY, +3 STUN, -3" KB, 800 kg, -2 DCV, +2 PER Rolls to perceive character, 4 m tall, 2 m wide), Inherent (+1/4), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (34 Active Points) - END=0
5     2)  [b][i]Draconic Roar[/i][/b]: +30 PRE (30 Active Points); Increased Endurance Cost (x4 END; -1 1/2), Limited Power Power loses about half of its effectiveness (only for Presence Attacks; -1), Incantations (-1/4), Costs Endurance (Only Costs END to Activate; -1/4) - END=12
20     3)  Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 2d6 (4d6 w/STR) (30 Active Points) - END=3
18     4)  [b][i]Dragon Wings[/i][/b]: Flight 16", x4 Noncombat (37 Active Points); Restrainable (-1/2) - END=4
12     5)  [b][i]Human Shape[/i][/b]: Multiform (150 Character Points in the most expensive form) (Instant Change) (35 Active Points); Costs Endurance (Only To Change; -1/2), Increased Endurance Cost (x2 END; -1/2) - END=6

[b]POWERS Cost: 139[/b]


[b][u]Cost[/u]   [u]SKILLS[/u][/b]
3      Hoist 12-
3      Bureaucratics 19-
3      Conversation 19-
3      High Society 19-
4      Gambling (Card Games, Backgammon, Chess, Dominoes) 12-
3      Instructor 12-
3      Persuasion 19-
5      Rapid Attack (HTH) 

[b]SKILLS Cost: 27[/b]


[b][u]Value[/u]  [u]DISADVANTAGES[/u][/b]
10     Vulnerability:  2 x BODY Anti Draconic Magics/ Weapons (Uncommon)
10     Rivalry:  Professional ( other Dragons; Rival is As Powerful; Seek to Harm or Kill Rival; Rival Aware of Rivalry)
20     Physical Limitation:  (All the Time; Greatly Impairing)
15     Reputation:  Its a Dragon !, 14-
15     Hunted:  Dragonslayers 11- (As Pow; Harshly Punish)

[b]DISADVANTAGES Points: 70[/b]

Base Pts: 200
Exp Required: 75
Total Exp Available: 0
Exp Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 345

 

( It is incomplete. )

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

thanks for the rival

I am limited to 12d6 attacks

 

if you're lowest EC power is 30, why not set the bar there?

 

I like the gambling

 

I didn't choose restrainable wings as a dragon is so large

 

16d6 presence attacks comes to 56 points cowing anyone with a presence of 26 or less

(oh sorry I miss read that only 50 presence total) comes to 35

 

I am considering things like rapid attack and two weapon fighting

 

I'm not familiar with the hoist skill

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

thanks for the rival

 

I'm not familiar with the hoist skill

 

Hoist is the ability to lift things successfully.

(It is from the Ultimate Brick.)

Feel free to stea...sorry borrow what you like.

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I like the presence

 

I don't understand the "growth purchase"

does no end have to bought above the elemental?

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I like the presence

 

I don't understand the "growth purchase"

does no end have to bought above the elemental?

 

 

What is your problem with that ?

Is it because it is a zero end power in a EC ?

Well it is a slight cheat. Officially it is not allowed to have powers that cost no END in a EC.

[bigbywolfe]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

It's a pretty big cheat since Growth isn’t supposed to be bought Persistent and Inherent by RAW. Putting it into an EC on top of that places it firmly in the realm of house rules, IMO.

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I miss having damage reduct on an elemental

it's bad enough I can't buy my armor on it

seems elemental doesn't care about animals anymore

 

I remember when we could buy senses on an elemental

 

I had heard one could by powers on an elemental that cost endurance but that cost be reduced to zero.

 

What is your problem with that ?

Is it because it is a zero end power in a EC ?

Well it is a slight cheat. Officially it is not allowed to have powers that cost no END in a EC.

 

no

I just had to scroll sideways to read the line and couldn't piece together the points

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

It's a pretty big cheat since Growth isn’t supposed to be bought Persistent and Inherent by RAW. Putting it into an EC on top of that places it firmly in the realm of house rules' date=' IMO.[/quote']

 

As I said it was a abandoned experiment.

 

Umh?

Care to explain why ?

My book is so old it does not even have inherent listed as a advantage..

[bigbywolfe]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

Err, maybe it's just Persistent, not Inherent that it mentions. By RAW large characters should not be built with Growth, but by making a Large Character. You simply buy the appropriate Char and Powers to represent being Large (there's even a size chart) and the appropriate Disads. Growth has the disadvantages factored into the price of the benefits, you still get full Disads for the character on top of that, and you got it for even cheaper than normal by putting it in an EC.

 

P.S. What edition are you playing that Inherent didn't even exist yet?

[JmOz]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

Err, maybe it's just Persistent, not Inherent that it mentions. By RAW large characters should not be built with Growth, but by making a Large Character. You simply buy the appropriate Char and Powers to represent being Large (there's even a size chart) and the appropriate Disads. Growth has the disadvantages factored into the price of the benefits, you still get full Disads for the character on top of that, and you got it for even cheaper than normal by putting it in an EC.

 

P.S. What edition are you playing that Inherent didn't even exist yet?

 

I would guess 4th, as 5 introduces it

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I would guess 4th' date=' as 5 introduces it[/quote']

 

My book is a very early printing of the fifth.

(Second printing May 2002.)

I think inherent came with the revised Edition.

[Hyper-Man]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

Inherent

(Hero System Fifth Edition Rule Book, page 165; Revised, page 258)

 

A Power with this Advantage is more than just Persistent -- it is a natural, inherent part of the character's being. It cannot be Dispelled, Drained, or Suppressed.

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

If a character is always large' date=' it's recommended to buy the individual effects separately instead of using Growth (ie; KB Resistance, STR, STUN, etc..).[/quote']

 

I'll go along

*buys strength and body straight.*

down to 17 points

 

I understand size need not correspond to mass in champions

but I miss a scale indicating how big a character is

 

 

here is the base character

 

Sunset (A Gold Scaled Dragon) 

VAL   CHA   Cost   Notes
             3
60    STR     30   3 levels permanent growth
23    DEX     39   
23    CON     26   
13    BODY     6   3 levels permanent growth
13    INT      3  
11    EGO      2   
25    PRE     15   
14    COM      2   
            123
30(12)PD       6   12 Armor OIF 15- Gold Scales difficult to replace 
30(12)ED      13   12 Armor OIF 15- Gold Scales difficult to replace 
6     KBR          3 levels permanent growth + Gold Scale OIF
            148
4    SPD      7   
17    REC     
46    END    
55    STUN   
            155
15    Flight     


CHA Cost: 155

Cost   POWERS

25 Gold Scale Armor OIF difficult to replace
(21)  12/12 Armor 15-
(4)  3 points knockback resist

5 Extra-Limbs neck wings tail back claw

15 30 POINT EC DRAGON
15 4 Hex Stretching no end (wings and tail)
10 15'' Flight (requires a megahex of space -1/2)
15 2d6 HKA

5 Points Life Support Water Breathing

75    MULTIPOWER 
7u   12d6 Energy Bolt Fire 1/2 endurance
5u   10d6 explosion cone no range
1u   swimming + freeaction

     23
Statts155
Armor  25
Limbs   5
life sup 5
EC     55
MP     88
     333

Value  DISADVANTAGES
20     Distinctive features Dragon always notice extreme reaction
20     Distinctive features Gold Scales always notice extreme reaction
20     Phys Lim 12' long dragon limitation 800 kg all the time greatly impairing

 

AS you can see

I've got 17 points left

and need disadvantages

[bigbywolfe]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I understand size need not correspond to mass in champions but I miss a scale indicating how big a character is

Why do you miss it? Do you not have the book? Because it's in there. There's a scale for mass there as well. You could use the Hefty/Heavy Disadvantage if you feel it's appropriate, whether or not you add the suggested Powers/Characteristics for heavy characters.

 

Also, I don't have my book with me, but I thought "Large" was only a 10 or 15 point Disadvantage. Are you defining it differently than the book?

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

I understand size need not correspond to mass in champions but I miss a scale indicating how big a character is

 

because size and/or mass like strength is a badge of honor

everyone knows a 45 str > 40 str

but sizes compared by physical limitations does not hold the same relativity

perhaps size and mass should be characteristics

 

 

 

 

Also, I don't have my book with me, but I thought "Large" was only a 10 or 15 point Disadvantage. Are you defining it differently than the book?

 

 

I took the physical limitation from Black Opps

 

the dragon can not operate a keyboard

the dragon can not drive a car

the dragon doesn't fit through most doors

 

I am not very familiar with D&D, but here is a try I had a while ago.

 

[b] - [/b]

[b][u]VAL[/u]   [u]CHA[/u]   [u]Cost[/u]   [u]Total[/u]   [u]Roll[/u]      [u]Notes[/u][/b]
75    STR     50   75      24-       HTH Damage 15d6  END [7]
18    DEX     24   18      13-       OCV 6 DCV 6
25    CON     30   25      14-
18    BODY    10   18      13-
14    INT     4   14      12-       PER Roll 12-
11    EGO     2   11      11-       ECV: 4
50    PRE     10   50      19-       PRE Attack: 10d6
10    COM     0   10      11-
30    PD      18   30             30 PD (30 rPD)
24    ED      19   24             24 ED (24 rED)
4    SPD     12   4                 Phases:  3, 6, 9, 12
17    REC     0   17
50    END     0   50
61    STUN    0   61
6    RUN      0   6"                END [1]
2    SWIM     0   2"                END [1]
15    LEAP     0   15"                15" forward, 7 1/2" upward

[b]CHA Cost: 179[/b]

[b][u]Cost[/u]   [u]POWERS[/u][/b]
35     [b][i]Resilence[/i][/b]: Damage Resistance (30 PD/25 ED), Hardened (+1/4) (35 Active Points) - END=0
5     [b][i]Tail[/i][/b]: Extra Limb (1) - END=0
5     Nightvision - END=0
5     Mental Awareness - END=0
10     [b][i]Draconic Powers[/i][/b]: Elemental Control, 20-point powers - END=
24     1)  [b][i]Draconic Size[/i][/b]: Growth (+15 STR, +3 BODY, +3 STUN, -3" KB, 800 kg, -2 DCV, +2 PER Rolls to perceive character, 4 m tall, 2 m wide), Inherent (+1/4), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (34 Active Points) - END=0
5     2)  [b][i]Draconic Roar[/i][/b]: +30 PRE (30 Active Points); Increased Endurance Cost (x4 END; -1 1/2), Limited Power Power loses about half of its effectiveness (only for Presence Attacks; -1), Incantations (-1/4), Costs Endurance (Only Costs END to Activate; -1/4) - END=12
20     3)  Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 2d6 (4d6 w/STR) (30 Active Points) - END=3
18     4)  [b][i]Dragon Wings[/i][/b]: Flight 16", x4 Noncombat (37 Active Points); Restrainable (-1/2) - END=4
12     5)  [b][i]Human Shape[/i][/b]: Multiform (150 Character Points in the most expensive form) (Instant Change) (35 Active Points); Costs Endurance (Only To Change; -1/2), Increased Endurance Cost (x2 END; -1/2) - END=6

[b]POWERS Cost: 139[/b]


[b][u]Cost[/u]   [u]SKILLS[/u][/b]
3      Hoist 12-
3      Bureaucratics 19-
3      Conversation 19-
3      High Society 19-
4      Gambling (Card Games, Backgammon, Chess, Dominoes) 12-
3      Instructor 12-
3      Persuasion 19-
5      Rapid Attack (HTH) 

[b]SKILLS Cost: 27[/b]


[b][u]Value[/u]  [u]DISADVANTAGES[/u][/b]
10     Vulnerability:  2 x BODY Anti Draconic Magics/ Weapons (Uncommon)
10     Rivalry:  Professional ( other Dragons; Rival is As Powerful; Seek to Harm or Kill Rival; Rival Aware of Rivalry)
20     Physical Limitation:  (All the Time; Greatly Impairing)
15     Reputation:  Its a Dragon !, 14-
15     Hunted:  Dragonslayers 11- (As Pow; Harshly Punish)

[b]DISADVANTAGES Points: 70[/b]

Base Pts: 200
Exp Required: 75
Total Exp Available: 0
Exp Unspent: 0
Total Character Cost: 345

( It is incomplete. )

[bigbywolfe]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

Well, in your first quote you quote one of your own statements, then reply to it, so I'm not sure what your point is or if it has anything to do with what I said or not.

Not sure why you would take a Disadvantage from another homemade and not book legal character rather than the book itself. A Disad is worth whatever the GM feels it's worth, so maybe 20 is fine, I just think you may actually want to look at the size and mass scales and perhaps the rules in general. I'm still skeptical about scales being OIF.

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

as listed in the book pg 219,

the physical limitation applies all the time (people live in houses in cities) 15

and the limitation is greatly impairing +5

the dragon does not physical fit into the human constructed universe

 

but you are correct

as I GM,

I treat the severity of a disadvantage based on how many points the character got for it.

 

The scales are more OIF than most power suits

1] the dragon is not incapacitated and out of the game if they are taken way

2] the villains have a extra inclination to take the scales away

 

Throughout my years,

I've seen few times where characters actually lost their OIF

yet still, they get the point discount

 

 

note: that Black Op's Dragon has multiform so he's found a way around the giant size disadvantage.

I chose not to as my dragon's form disadvantages are integral to how I want my character to suffer.

However, I am reviewing mind link so the dragon can interact with (a) more accepted team member(s)

without being present in socially delicate situations.

 

Mind Link to Anyone base 15 up to 4 targets that should cover my teammates 25 base

-1/2 O DCV concentration to establish

-3/4 extra-time one minute to turn on

(25 -1.25=11 real cost)

[Ninja-Bear]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

The scales are more OIF than most power suits

1] the dragon is not incapacitated and out of the game if they are taken way

2] the villains have a extra inclination to take the scales away

 

Throughout my years,

I've seen few times where characters actually lost their OIF

yet still, they get the point discount

 

 

 

I have a question about the scales being oif. How does the dragon lose them ? Is there an outer coat of scales wich the dragon can be deprived of ? Not saying that it is wrong mind you just curious.

 

Also though about other character having power armor and not being taken. Were you refering to Comic books, or game characters. Because if they are comic characters then perhaps it is really ohid, not oif. And if it were game characters, well then the GM is being too nice !

[Matt Holck]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

the dragon would have another layer of scales beneath that do not provide armor just skin.

 

note that if the dragon lost it's gold scales they are difficult to replace

in that the dragon would need to consume gold to grow them back

 

ideally the dragon needs telescopic smell gold but I'm running short of points

 

It should not have to be the GMs job to police the players limitations

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

As I mentioned: It was a Experiment. It is very unlikely to ever be fielded in a game.

I tinker sometimes with it, so this was valuable to me too.

Thanks

Rep to all.

[Black Ops]

Re: I'm building a gold dragon on 350 points

 

 

It should not have to be the GMs job to police the players limitations

 

Wrong.

As GM you better be very careful about the Powers and Ads/Disads your Players field.

 

Or you are in trouble faster then you can say: Höhenkirchen-Schweigertsbrunn.