Chromatic Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 In one of the Matrix DVD special bits, Keanu Reeves mentions that in some of the battles, the Brothers would ask him "how many maneuvers can you do in ten seconds?" He would answer "seven?" They would respond "Do eighteen". 92 takes later, he gets it perfect. The point is, Keanu Reeves is a slightly trained normal, sure they had intensive martial arts training for the movies, but it was only for nine months, and it was only to look good and move fast. However, being able to do 18 punch, kick, block, throw combinations in 10 seconds could certainly be construed to be more than a 2 speed. Of course this was with the special effects folks doing their tricks, so perhaps he actually did these moves a bit slower (like in 20 or 30 seconds) it's hard to judge without seeing the whole process. So sure Neo has like an 8 speed maybe even a 10, but even a trained normal can get up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 I think Speed is basically a measure of how quickly you can act in a stressful or fast-paced situation, like a combat or athletic event. It's closely related to Dexterity, so reaction time and reflexes are the single biggest factors. But fast thinking, fast movement and training and experience could all be good SFX explanations for a high SPD. Classic real world example--Bruce Lee, one of the fastest martial artists who ever lived. Classic comic book examples--Captain America, who has the optimal human physique, reflexes and combat training and experience. Spider-Man, superhuman reflexes and reactions, plus extensive experience in the use of his ability, and quick thinking Silver Surfer--swoops around at superluminal speeds, dodges autofire laser beams with effortless grace, has cosmic level perceptual speed The Barry Allen Flash. If he's not a SPD 12, who the #@$% is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Originally posted by Chromatic In one of the Matrix DVD special bits, Keanu Reeves mentions that in some of the battles, the Brothers would ask him "how many maneuvers can you do in ten seconds?" He would answer "seven?" They would respond "Do eighteen". 92 takes later, he gets it perfect. Is this Speed, or levels in Sweep/Rapid Attack? The book provides examples of chgaracters using Sweep to make several attacks, each using a diferent maneuver. You can simulate this multiple ways, in other words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Barry Allen could be a 6 spd W/levels for sweep, multiple move by/through and area effect powers. No where does it is say he has to be a 12 spd. Though it is a viable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Originally posted by Rick Barry Allen could be a 6 spd W/levels for sweep, multiple move by/through and area effect powers. No where does it is say he has to be a 12 spd. Though it is a viable option. He can run at or close to lightspeed, and move, think and react at those speeds(at his peak level). At any rate, I would have a hard time putting anyone at a higher SPD than Barry:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Originally posted by megaplayboy He can run at or close to lightspeed, and move, think and react at those speeds(at his peak level). At any rate, I would have a hard time putting anyone at a higher SPD than Barry:D I dunno. All he is is fast. You take a sufficiently powerful supercomputer AI and it can justify a SPD beyond 12. A full second is an awfully long time to a fast computer. Besides, like I said, all he is is fast. That's nothing compared to somebody who can actually manipulate timespace. An infinite number of actions between post phase 12 and the end of phase 1? Plausible for somebody who manipulates timespace, not so much for somebody who is just faster than normal. And then there's speed beyond infinitely fast, the ability to actually blink back in time a bit and do something. How fast is that? In actual play, though - I wouldn't want there to be anything in the game faster than the Flash. For sanity's sake if nothing else. $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Thats all special effects. He still got hit, still took damage. So obviously he could be that fast . It's all interpritation. Superman's really suppposed to be invulnerable...but I've seen him take stun and on occasion body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 re Barry Allen Flash Originally posted by megaplayboy He can run at or close to lightspeed Put enough Megascale on your base 6" of running, and attaining Lightspeed is pretty easy. Let's assume he's got +40" at 0 END for combat (60 puoints). Put that in a multipower with Megascale on normal (6") running, and he can have a +10 naked advantage. That makes each inch 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 km. Fast enough for you? Maybe we should add Megascale on sight so he can see where he's going. Now he can get about 8 levels of Megascale (+2 advantage) for 62 points, so we'll need another couple points in the MP base. Each inch is now only 10,000,000 km. Assuming a 6 Speed (and he certainly doesn't have less than that), he runs at 18,000,000,000 KPH. Every added +1/4 megascale provides a 10x increment. A 12 speed only doubles it. Originally posted by megaplayboy and move, think and react at those speeds(at his peak level). I don't recall him doing a lot at those speeds, except when DC would go over the topn and have him fight another speedster at those velocities. Even then, if he moves faster than sound, he would create a sonic boom (he did that once or twice in the books; probably went desolid at those speeds if he wanted to avoid it). Thinking speed and reaction time does imply a higher SPD to me. Originally posted by megaplayboy At any rate, I would have a hard time putting anyone at a higher SPD than Barry:D I would put him in the upper echelons, in any case. But the point his abilities can be simulated in ways other than a 12 Speed is valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 ...and all these arguements of not using actual speed to represent multiple attacks but instead use Sweep maneuver don't make you think that perhaps Sweep is way underpriced for the capability it gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 underpriced? you mean free, right? Its an optional manuever - it doesn't cost anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 {hands D-man the little pamphlet on how to spot sarcasm} Yes, that was my point exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Chromatic, that is without question the most intensely irritating avatar I've yet seen on the internet. It's like watching a popup add repeat itself over and over and over and... I don't suppose I can possibly persuade you to use a.. er, less flashy one? EDIT: Never mind; I just blocked any animations from your avatar's web-address. Now it just stands there looking vaguely menacing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Gosh I was hoping to induce epileptic siezures and vomiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Since EVERYONE can sweep it isn't underpriced. If EVERYONE has something, or can do something, the effective cost of said something is 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Originally posted by TheEmerged Time for the game mechanic to weigh in. Speed is how many phases the character can get during a turn. HOW the character gets that many phases is "mere" SFX. This is my approach as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Originally posted by Hugh Neilson Put enough Megascale on your base 6" of running, and attaining Lightspeed is pretty easy. Let's assume he's got +40" at 0 END for combat (60 puoints). Put that in a multipower with Megascale on normal (6") running, and he can have a +10 naked advantage. That makes each inch 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 km. Fast enough for you? Maybe we should add Megascale on sight so he can see where he's going. Now he can get about 8 levels of Megascale (+2 advantage) for 62 points, so we'll need another couple points in the MP base. Each inch is now only 10,000,000 km. Assuming a 6 Speed (and he certainly doesn't have less than that), he runs at 18,000,000,000 KPH. Every added +1/4 megascale provides a 10x increment. A 12 speed only doubles it. My most recent Speedster was built along these lines: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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