Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I've had a dog that would let us vacuum it, but never a cat. They prefer not to be in the same building as a running vacuum cleaner. This probably is yet another indicator that we're too damn lax about cleaning the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER By the way' date=' Alice..."vaccuming the cat"? [/quote'] I was waiting for someone else to notice that . . . It's a Making Light-ism, shorthand for finding things to do, anything, other than work on writing. So after they've cleaned the house top to bottom, washed the windows, polished the sink fixtures, caught up on laundry and washed all the towels, curtains and potholders in the house, swept the front steps, bleached the cat box (etc, etc), then all that's left to do is vacuuming the cat. The apartment has never been cleaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER 268 rep to go . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Anomaly Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER 268 rep to go . . . Or 168 rep and 666 gaming-related posts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Heh. Definitely not today . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Idle question: how often are recoveries called for from the backups? How responsive and selectable are your backup facilities? The few times I've seen calls for data retrieval from the back-ups, it seemed the retrieval part of the back-up systems were at best cumbersome, and there was one case where recovery turned out to be impossible. The vendor got grilled both ways after that. I do a nightly backup of all of our data, and once a week it is sent offsite, and returned the following week. I recover data from the tapes only about once a month, and it has always gone smoothly. However, we have a method that has proven faster and more reliable for those instances when the users delete their data which is Undelete. We install it on all our data servers, and it makes life so much easier. The only time that fails is when it fills up and starts emptying itself, and someone discovers something missing from a month ago, but that is rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER That sounds like it works for deleted files, but not for recovering data files that were corrupted or overwritten with bad or wrong data. It was those latter cases that caused the real grief. Super Squirrel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER You are correct, those types of problems are handled with the tape recoveries. Never had any grief from those with the exception of the amount of time it takes. The nice thing is that they are pretty much automatic once they are started. In my experiences anyway. For the really bad problems, we have just rebuilt the server that was having the problems. Which happened to us back in July when we got hit with a rather malicious malware/virus. It was faster for us to just rebuild servers than trying to troubleshoot and 'fix' the problems. That was a fun week let me tell you. Super Squirrel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Idle question: how often are recoveries called for from the backups? How responsive and selectable are your backup facilities? The few times I've seen calls for data retrieval from the back-ups, it seemed the retrieval part of the back-up systems were at best cumbersome, and there was one case where recovery turned out to be impossible. The vendor got grilled both ways after that. That's why a lot of our customers are trying to roll their own backup solutions, usually using paired NetApps with remote replication. That's actually the current standard, since disk backups don't have the bandwidth and window issues that tape does; then, since you still need tape, you can use the snapshot capability to back up to tape at leisure. The big problem is cost. Lots of orgs are hot to implement some kind of disaster recovery system for their IT after Katrina, Asian tsunami, and WTC--but compared to tape disk is pretty expensive and so they always get sticker shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER I agree. If I had my way, we would be using disk imaging to arrays to make the restore processes go a lot faster, but budget constraints keep that from happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Strange question: how big can Flash storage get, and is it long-term stable? Sorta goofy to think of plugging a terabyte flash unit into a document-image server, dumping the snapshot to it, and then sending the flash unit to a salt mine, but there's some allure to the concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER There largest flash unit I've personally seen was 2 gigs, but I have to believe there are bigger available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Finally got the modules configured so the profiler will work. Now to run the big job, and see what it tells me at the end of 2.5 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER 248. *is impatient* L. Marcus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AliceTheOwl again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER We could really frustrate her by making lots of new, zero-rep-power IDs and deluge her with no-accumulation reppings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Anomaly Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER We could really frustrate her by making lots of new' date=' zero-rep-power IDs and deluge her with no-accumulation reppings. [/quote'] You don't want to frustrate someone whose spouse is already a deity, now do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER We could really frustrate her by making lots of new' date=' zero-rep-power IDs and deluge her with no-accumulation reppings. [/quote'] You wouldn't!!! You don't want to frustrate someone whose spouse is already a deity' date=' now do you?[/quote'] Yeah! Cancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER (Cancer waves the white flag.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER (Cancer waves the white flag.) I Accept. ^ v ^ (130! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER (Cancer waves the white flag.) What's that brown streak on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER What's that brown streak on it? Hey, at least it wasn't a red flag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Thirty-five to go! So who wants to be the one to ascend me? Josh just repped me the other day. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER Can't be me. I got you a few hours ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Re: Longest Running Thread EVER OK, ran the profiler. Now to make sense of what it told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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