Cancer Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 As is often true, I think you're asking a different question than the one I'm going to answer, or perhaps, you would give a quite different answer than the one I give. To me "the cosmos" is the physical Universe, the one we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 According to an astrophysicist of some note, "The Cosmos is everything that is, or ever was, or ever will be." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Pariah said: According to an astrophysicist of some note, "The Cosmos is everything that is, or ever was, or ever will be." Sagan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 The one and only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Cancer said: As is often true, I think you're asking a different question than the one I'm going to answer, or perhaps, you would give a quite different answer than the one I give. To me "the cosmos" is the physical Universe, the one we live in. Cheers. Suffice to say, the Pythagoreans had a much more expanded view. I'm working through it and still trying to summarise it. Different books/authors have different expressions of it. Order, and beauty are at the two words that are common. The structure, or ornament, has a beauty to it. The structure is Limit (praxis) imposed on Unlimited (Aperion). An an example is music, the difference between noise and music the the Limit imposed the Unlimited via mathematical ratios that give us the musical notes eg 1:2, 3:2 (perfect fifth), etc. Another thing is the Pythagoreans were interested in quantifying nature with mathematics to discover the structure of nature. Structure was a form / pattern that was essential. Thus they used number both in representing nature in its quantity and quality (essence). This barely scratches the surface, but hope it gives some idea. If you are interested, I'll be happy to scan the relevant pages of my books for you to read first hand info, rather than my interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Well, me saying the physical Universe implicitly includes the laws operating in it. I don't pretend to have a well-defined limit to what I mean by that, but some of the classicals' guiding principles (beauty, and what that might mean) are, admittedly, part of what we lean on in trying to deduce the workings of the physical Universe. What was much later called "the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics" in describing all that is kind of a separate issue to me; it is not among the questions that I find interesting, partly because I don't perceive that a clear resolution of the question can be obtained, even in principle. Instead, to me it goes into the bin of fluff questions that might make you feel good but don't advance your understanding much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Fair enough. Thanks for responding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Meanwhile, today was disrupted by taking a snake to the vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Oh, a snake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Maybe the snake bit his own tail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Worried about a respiratory infection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 No laughing matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 tkdguy, Cancer and Pariah 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Student: "Why did you give me an 'F' on this assignment?" Teacher: "Because I couldn't give you a 'G'." tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 "This paper reminds me of the anion formed by fluorine: F-." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Pariah said: Student: "Why did you give me an 'F' on this assignment?" Teacher: "Because I couldn't give you a 'G'." G for Good, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Currently trying for a third time to read (and complete) Itinerarium Mentis in Deum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 "Life is nothing but smoke and mirrors. "The Chemistry Department teaches you about smoke. "The Physics Department teaches you about mirrors." tkdguy and Pariah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 What about the biology department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sex, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 And geology? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sexy rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 So crystals, gemstone, minerals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Get your rocks off!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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