JmOz Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Okay, Now from what I understand a convict on parole is not allowed to socilise with other parole's, are there any ways out of this? The situation I'm trying to do is someone who gives ex-cons jobs (But they normaly will be working, living, and probably socilising, with each others and more "honest" people) Further more are there any other restrictions on parolees? Other problems I am dealing with is if they would be allowed to cross state lines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 I was looking this up for a player character that is a former criminal. I decided to ultimately use a rule relating to the state of Oklahoma's rules. All they need is a parole officer's permission: I agree not to associate with persons on parole or probation or persons with criminal records, communicate with inmates of any penal institution, except members of the immediate family, unless my parole officer gives permission because of work or other good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Varies widely. A friend recently compleated a year on probation, during the year he had Court-ordered 12-step programs twice a week. Everyone there was also on probation. Like Blue said, as long as no laws are being broken Probation/Paroll officers can waive most rules, and often will if they think it is in the best interest of the, um, client. Geting an honest job, even working with other ex-cons, would be in the client's best interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted July 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Cool, thanks for the info... Anyone else have anything that might be pertinent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorVonDoom Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 please next time if you post a question don't use caps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 In my experience, a convict who is out on parole and probation is free to socialise with whoever he pleases and do whatever he wants, including commit more crimes. Should he actually get caught committing further crimes he will still be allowed out on bail, commit even more crimes, and not bother to show up for his sentencing. In retaliation for all this the judge will issue a meaningless and impotent piece of paper known as a "bench warrant". It will go into a vast stack with all the other bench warrants that the hopelessly understaffed and undermotivated sheriff's department will never serve. If the perp is dumb enough to get caught again, he will still be allowed out on bail, and again will fail to volunteer for sentencing. Lather, rinse, repeat. What, me? Bitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 In general the rule that paroles cannot associate with one another is true, but there are a number of official exceptions, such as court ordered or state approved programs, or even programs the parole officer signs off on. Someone who wanted to run such a business could probably get approval from the state parole or corrections board as an official exemption. There would be some monitoring involved, of course, but it could be done. Different states have different restrictions. Some don't allow them to go into taverns, for instance, or to live in old neigborhoods. Don't forget that they also have the traditional felon/ex-con limitations: cannot vote, get a passport, own a firearm, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted July 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 What if the buisness in question included going cross country? I am designing a sports league type of thing that will be made up of a lot of ex-cons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormhole Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 In retaliation for all this the judge will issue a meaningless and impotent piece of paper known as a "bench warrant". It will go into a vast stack with all the other bench warrants that the hopelessly understaffed and undermotivated sheriff's department will never serve. Isn't that what bounty hunters are for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by JmOz What if the buisness in question included going cross country? I am designing a sports league type of thing that will be made up of a lot of ex-cons That would be problematic in that paroles aren't generally allowed to leave the state, and if they do, they [generally]have to enter the supervision of another state's parole agency or the local sheriff's department, which means they can only go to state's that cooperate with their own state. Presuming all of the state's the parolees went to were participating, or the compan made special arrangements, it would be doable. Seems like a royal pain, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by D-Man That would be problematic in that paroles aren't generally allowed to leave the state, and if they do, they [generally]have to enter the supervision of another state's parole agency or the local sheriff's department, which means they can only go to state's that cooperate with their own state. Presuming all of the state's the parolees went to were participating, or the compan made special arrangements, it would be doable. Seems like a royal pain, though. Bounty hunters were mentioned. Maybe an arrangement could be made that they travel as a team, under the authority of a Sheriff's Deputy from each state, or under the authority of a Bond Enforcement Agent. Depending on how much pull the leage had, maybe even a Federal Marshall could travel with each team. Would be a royal pain to try to pull off in RL, but I think for fiction/role playing you could tweak it enough for some versimulitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by JmOz What if the buisness in question included going cross country? I am designing a sports league type of thing that will be made up of a lot of ex-cons Oh, you mean like the NBA. As long as there is money involved, it can be made OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by McCoy Would be a royal pain to try to pull off in RL, but I think for fiction/role playing you could tweak it enough for some versimulitude. I can definately see some GM license coming into play to facilitate the idea. I can't see a state sanctioning bounty hunters (who are fairly unpopular with the powers that be), but what about this: The state where the project originates has assigned 1-2 parole officers to travel with the group because of its publicity value. If they get a runner they can always call the Federal Marshalls in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Just checked. Have a FOAF who is on probation (technically different from parole) who drives a truck between CA and TX. He calls and leaves a message on his probation officer's machine whenever he is taking his eight hours out of the truck (not realy sure all the rules involved in this). Anyway, his job does require trqvel through 4 states, so far no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 That must constitute "supervision" under your state code. Its pretty lenient, but as you said, its for probation and not parole. It would be interesting to know if they extend the same policy to parolees. They might. That's the crazy thing about America -- we have enough legal codes to make your head spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by D-Man That must constitute "supervision" under your state code. Its pretty lenient, but as you said, its for probation and not parole. It would be interesting to know if they extend the same policy to parolees. They might. That's the crazy thing about America -- we have enough legal codes to make your head spin. The best defense against rules is more rules to contradict them with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I'm not an expert, but my experience with the law is it is much like making sausages....not always fun to watch. Basicly there are rules and guidlines, but if the judge wants to or gets convinved to almost anything can go, For example if you are a Blazers fan you know some our boys are felens or are awaiting charges ,but they travel. Why?...cause a judge said it would be OK...so just prepare some Star Trek science quality legalistic mishmash and you're golden..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkling Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 My legal mishmash is to involve someone at the Federal level, as tehy are "loosely" qualified to supervise any and all parolees. Alternatively, you could only draw your ex-cons from the "federal" convict pool, but federal crimes are usually stiff enough to discourage parole. Hmmm. In a superhero universe, I'd recommend a mobile parole officer with various knowledges of State laws, some federal laws, and perhaps status much like a US Marshal or Texas Ranger (movie versions). Alternatively, add some legislation and create a division of the ATF that operates in conjunction with SAT or the federal law agencies and provides a monitor. Or some variant thereof. your Mileage May Vary. No Warranty is Expressed or Implied. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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