McCoy Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow not only is this more or less correct' date=' but it goes deeper than this. apparently the guy showed the technology demonstration (which was a bunch of planes and robots blowing up, all disjointed and plotless) and the studio said "yes! thats awesome. make THAT into a feature length film!" it was just a demo reel, and it didn't even have a script until after large portions of the CG had been done. thats why the movie tanked. its was all just smoke and mirrors.[/quote'] Shades of Ed Wood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Most of those " he Shadow, The Rocketeer, and The Phantom were right on target. I really really liked Nate & Hayes but it wasn't pulp to me. If you mean they weren't huge commercial successes, You're probably right. In sky captain I found Gweneth Paltrow a complete loss. Angelina Jolie was underused. Jude Law did just fine. The movie almost made it but fell short on many counts. Often doing the troupe of the genre but missing the spirit of it quite cleanly. I really hated the actual man was dead and his machines were carrying out his orders. Good pulp need a good villain not the machine wizard of OZ. Yep As a cohesive movies it was weak. But I just enjoyed all the bits. On Nate & Hayes, it wasn't pulp as such, but it had some Pulpy elements. Plus the period was right. A tweek here and nudge there and it could have easily been Pulp. So I use it to pad out my pulp movie list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow I didn't like the movie at all. Particularly having the British Royal Navy had several flying aircraft carriers and airplanes that could function as submarines, with a woman as their commander. Yes, pulp did have many advanced "weird science" items, but they were never part of the regular armed forces. And that's actually something I've never liked about the pulp/supers genre span -- the best weaponry and military tech is almost always in private hands, the complete reverse of how things actually work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inu Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Most of those " he Shadow, The Rocketeer, and The Phantom were right on target. I really really liked Nate & Hayes but it wasn't pulp to me. If you mean they weren't huge commercial successes, You're probably right. In sky captain I found Gweneth Paltrow a complete loss. Angelina Jolie was underused. Jude Law did just fine. The movie almost made it but fell short on many counts. Often doing the troupe of the genre but missing the spirit of it quite cleanly. I really hated the actual man was dead and his machines were carrying out his orders. Good pulp need a good villain not the machine wizard of OZ. Personally, I liked Gwynneth Paltrow -- she wasn't meant to be intensely likeable, but she was fun to watch. The film also wasn't 'on her side', with the amount she messed up (including one of the funniest moments, when she takes a picture of the log when she falls). Angeline Jolie was indeed amazing, but I think she was used just the right amount of time; every single moment she had on the screen was amazing. Any more time and she'd have had dull moments, which would have reduced her presence. I'm glad they resisted the urge to use her more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steamteck Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow The thing I hated the most was the wasted potential. I remember thinking at the time that it had enough cool visuals and the atoms of concepts to go into a small group of movies or even a long-running series, if they had been developed and extended. Thinking back, it may have only made it to one somewhat longer, actually good movie (with respect to DW, who once said something like that), but that was my impression at the time. Cool to look at, possibly even a good movie to get visual inspiration from, but overall a disappointment. I agree. That's kind of what I was clumsily getting at but you cut to the chase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steamteck Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Personally' date=' I liked Gwynneth Paltrow -- she wasn't meant to be intensely likeable, but she was fun to watch. The film also wasn't 'on her side', with the amount she messed up (including one of the funniest moments, when she takes a picture of the log when she falls). Angeline Jolie was indeed amazing, but I think she was used just the right amount of time; every single moment she had on the screen was amazing. Any more time and she'd have had dull moments, which would have reduced her presence. I'm glad they resisted the urge to use her more![/quote'] True I suppose overexposure could have lessened her presence. Paltrow has just never done much for me. She really seemed to not be into it also. Seemed very wooden. I think she was trying to be Lois Lane but failing in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral C Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow I liked the film and agree that it had a lot of potential. When a movie, to me, fails to be internally consistant I can still rank a film as fun or not. And Sky Captain was defiently a fun movie. And like comic book movies the bad ones that make it to the theater pave the way for the good ones to make it there. The provide the opportunity to figure out what went wrong and how they did this or that and what worked on screen and what didn't. Granted it won't prevent a flop if the producers are making a short sighted decision for a what they believe is a cash cow. Personally I believe that good scriptwriters are where a good movie starts and and a bad movie begins too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow One of the most visually amazing films in a while. However, when you combine that with a lack of a plot and the worst on screen chemistry of two leading actors you get a BAD movie. I echo the many calls that this was an absolute waste of great potential. I mean, come on, the name alone is completely badass. Why did the movie have to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhawk Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Actually the Pulp Era ran from the 1920's to the 1950's. Though I am pretty sure they were mostly gone by 46-48ish. But I don't really know. If you trust the Wikipedia it says the first recognized Pulp was Frank Munsey's revamped Argosy Magazine of 1896 and the 1957 bankruptcy of the American News Company as marking the end of the "pulp era. But then I have yet to find many people who can agree on it. Speaking as the holder of a degree in History, it seems that people only agree on the beginning or end when there is a definite event. Even then there are those who want to disagree. BTW, my wife (a school librarian) hates Wikipedia for the amount of inaccurate and plain wrong info that seems to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Speaking as the holder of a degree in History, it seems that people only agree on the beginning or end when there is a definite event. Even then there are those who want to disagree. BTW, my wife (a school librarian) hates Wikipedia for the amount of inaccurate and plain wrong info that seems to be there. Well the Argosy as a Pulp in 1882 is easily verifiable via multiple independent sites to include cover screen shots as well as actual content you can read. Though in 43 it switched from all fiction to mixed content and in its life had more than 10 title changes until it ceased. There were a few issues in 78 and 79, but I never saw them and can't say if someone was just banking on the name. Weird Tales ran from 1923 to 1954, also independently verifiable. That pretty much makes Pulp to have existed in publication from 1882 to 1954, not counting later reprints and specials. Now it also depends on what you consider Pulp. If westerns are not pulp in your mind then you will probably be disregarding one of the larger chunks of the Pulps published. But Pulp covers a very wide range of genres. Sports, Mystery, Crime, War, Old West, SciFi, Horror and on and on. As for degrees, the library and Wiki. I am not going to list the list that brings up. I will just say that Wiki is a tool. And a tool is only as good as the user. If a Wiki listing is incorrect, it is extremely easy to fix it. If the libraries still had their old Catalog Card system (or at least had retained ALL of it’s information, namely the subject cross reference capability) then people would still go there and not places like the Wiki. But unless it is a University Library or the central branch of a major city, libraries have pretty much outlived their usefulness for the serious user of books. They sure can get that cook book though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Defining "The Pulp Era" is perhaps a little harder to do than might be supposed. Magazines such as "Argosy" and "All Story" have been mentioned as being "Pulp" but what about magazines such as "The Frank Reade Library" or "The Strand" ? I think that the sort of stories written in those magazines could easily be defined as "Pulp" and "The Frank Reade Library" was publishing S F Adventure stories in the late 1860's (The "Frank Reade Jnr" stories). Certainly the Western Pulps can trace their origins back to the nineteenth century and the proliferation of "Dime Novels" featuring the adventures of both real historical characters (such as Jesse James) and invented ones such as "Deadwood Dick" that occurred in the mid to late nineteenth century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow I loved it - I saw it as the paradigm of 50's science fiction with women film noir relationships and pulp elements thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlinggeek Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow You know, I always thought of it not so much as "Pulp," but more like "Republic Serial." And yes, I do realize there is a large amount of cross-over between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow i wish sky captain had been more sucessful it could'vbeen a great franchie movies and novels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow I enjoyed it a lot, though I wouldn't say it was one of my favorite movies by any stretch. I found myself pretty fond of the character "Dex" who is probably the character I am most likely to rip off if I ever do swipe some ideas from SC&tWoT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow I enjoyed it a lot' date=' though I wouldn't say it was one of my favorite movies by any stretch. I found myself pretty fond of the character "Dex" who is probably the character I am most likely to rip off if I ever do swipe some ideas from SC&tWoT[/quote'] speakink of which have joe polly &dex had theit stats written up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrito Boy Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Personally, I loved this movie. The only thing that really bothered me about it and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was the wholesale slaughter of zeppelins. "Oh, the humanity!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Personally' date=' I loved this movie. The only thing that really bothered me about it and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was the wholesale slaughter of zeppelins. "Oh, the humanity!"[/quote'] I guess The Rocketeer bothered you too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrito Boy Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow I guess The Rocketeer bothered you too? Actually, I haven't seen The Rocketeer. Maybe it's best that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Actually' date=' I haven't seen The Rocketeer. Maybe it's best that way.[/quote'] But its got a Zeppelin..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrito Boy Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow But its got a Zeppelin..... You're just trying to trick me into watching another zeppelin die. The sad thing is it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Here's the website about a Zeppelin that is on active duty. I've seen it a couple of times on my way to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmadanNaBriona Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Here's the website about a Zeppelin that is on active duty. I've seen it a couple of times on my way to work. Yeah, seen it a couple of time m'self. It's pretty cool to suddenly spot a zeppelin overhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow If you haven't seen The Rocketeer, stop mucking around on the Intarwebz and go watch it IMMEDIATELY. If you like Pulp stuff you won't regret it for one second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow Here's the website about a Zeppelin that is on active duty. I've seen it a couple of times on my way to work. Aarrggghhhhh no interior pics.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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