Cassandra Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Nah, the hammer isn't heavy, its just unliftable. The magic prevents people from picking it up, not by making it weigh billions of tons, (unless you're in the ultimate universe where they crap all over magic) but by enchanting it to be impossible to lift by someone unworthy. Thor just happens to be worthy. Most of the time. Mjolnir is heavy, but not tons of heavy, Loki could move out from under it if he wanted. I would guess it only weighs a few hundred pounds at most. I agree. The Hulk couldn't lift the Hammer because he's not worthy, not because it weighed too much. This is a good example of a Focus that can only be used by the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think you overlooked slot 4) I stand corrected. I'm not used to heroes with killing attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I agree. The Hulk couldn't lift the Hammer because he's not worthy, not because he weighed too much. This is a good example of a Focus that can only be used by the owner. Are you saying the Hulk needs to go on a diet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zslane Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 The enchantment on the hammer is surprisingly circular. "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." So what it means, in Thor's case, is that as long as Thor is holding Mjolnir, and isn't being a total douchebag, he possesses the power of...himself. Uh huh. Furthermore, the use of the word "he" would suggest that Freya's stint as Thor right now shouldn't be possible (being a "she" and therefore incapable of qualifying as a "he"). *shrug* We can't even turn to Norse myth for any help here. In the original tales, Thor needed a magic belt and magic gloves in order to have the strength to lift Mjolnir. On the other hand, the giant Þrymr stole it, clearly having enough raw strength to lift it and run off with it on his own. To the Norse skalds of olde, it really was purely a matter of strength. The silly enchantment involving worthiness and all its completely arbitrary magical powers are the inventions of Marvel writers (many of very questionable talent). And even they can't agree on what the dang thing does, or how it works. I love the Thor character. I love that he can go toe to toe with the Hulk. I love his command over thunder and lightning (which the hammer really shouldn't play any role in). But I have never been particularly fond of all the non-sensical "magical" abilities given to that hammer. I can buy that it's really heavy. I can even buy that it is enchanted to return to his hand if he throws it. Beyond that, I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 And it has been shown repeatedly that Thor isn't the Thor of myth, except in name. They did a story where a camera crew ended up going to Asgard and a tool of a human got hold of the belt and gloves, which Thor needed as a child to wield Mjolnir. Ended up looking like the mythological Thor, with the wild red hair and beard, and got his unworthy hands on the hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Until very recently in history, "he" has always been generic for "person" in the English language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Are you saying the Hulk needs to go on a diet? I corrected the typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 In the awesome Simonson Thor run, he strapped on the gauntlets to fight the dragon I think it was, and trashed it, but he's exhausted a day after using, so he doesn't do it much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Until very recently in history, "he" has always been generic for "person" in the English language. Good point. How can we be sure, though, that a genderless pronoun is the most accurate translation of the original Asguardian? After all, we only have the translation into our modern English provided by Marvel to go by, and "he" was not genderless in the 20th century. If the original was indeed genderless, I think Marvel's translated inscription would have used "they"... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 It was until about 1975, but then again the inscription on the hammer should be in norse runes that we can't read too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Quicksilver Val Char Cost 20 STR 10 23 DEX 39 20 CON 20 12 BODY 4 13 INT 3 11 EGO 2 15 PRE 5 18 COM 4 6 PD 2 4 ED 0 6 SPD 27 10 REC 4 50 END 5 32 STUN 0 Total Characteristics Cost: 125 Points Cost Skills 3 Breakfall 14- 3 FB: Federal Police Powers 4 Lang: Native English 0 Lang: Native Romanian 2 Navigation [Ground] 12- 10 SL: Overall +1 3 Streetwise 12- Total Skills Cost: 25 Points Cost Powers 10 Armor +5 rPD +5 rED, OIF: Costume (-1/2) 5 ES: RPT, OAF: Avengers ID Card (-1) 15 EC [superspeed]-15 Points 9 1) Flight 15", 2x END (+1/2), Only In Contact With a Surface (-1/4) 15 2) Force Field +10 rPD +10 rED, No END (+1/2) 10 3) HA +6d6, HTH Attack (-1/2) 16 4) Running +8", 16x NCM 20 Missile Deflection [All Ranged Attacks] +5, Linked [Force Field] (-1/2) Total Powers Cost: 100 Points Total Cost: 250 Points 150+ Disadvantages 10 DF: Mutant (Concealable/Technology/Major Reaction) 10 Hunted: Magneto (As Powerful/NCI/Mild) 8- 10 Hunted: S.H.I.E.L.D. (More Powerful/NCI/Watch) 8- 15 PsyL: In Love With Crystal (Common/Strong) 15 PsyL: Overconfidence (Very Common/Moderate) 20 PsyL: Protective Of Innocents (Very Common/Strong) 10 SocL: Secret Identity [Pietro Maximoff] (Occasionally/Major) 10 Vuln: Unexpected Collisions, 1 1/2x STUN (Common) Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 It was until about 1975, but then again the inscription on the hammer should be in norse runes that we can't read too The runes on the Hammer say "If you can read this you'd be unconscious by now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Avengers Quinjet Flight 1", Megascale 1km (+1/4), Use Simultaneously (+1/2), 8x Mass (+3/4), OIF[bulky]: Quinjet (-1) 2 Points This is a low cost means of allowing the Avengers team members to get to the scene of battle. With a 4 SPD character the "Quinjet" is capable of 744 mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Scarlet Witch Val Char Cost 15 STR 5 20 DEX 30 20 CON 20 10 BODY 0 13 INT 3 20 EGO 20 15 PRE 5 18 COM 4 5 PD 2 5 ED 1 4 SPD 10 7 REC 0 40 END 0 28 STUN 0 Total Characteristics Cost: 100 Points Cost Skills 3 Acrobatics 13- 3 Breakfall 13- 3 FB: Federal Police Powers 3 KS[iNT]: Magic 12- 4 Lang: Native English 0 Lang: Native Romanian 3 Navigation [Air & Ground] 12- 3 Streetwise 12- 3 Tactics 12- Total Skills Cost: 22 Points Cost Powers 12 Armor +6 rPD +6 rED, OIF: Costume (-1/2) 40 Multipower (40 Points) Variable Special Effects [Any] (+1/2), 15- (-1/4), Gestures (-1/4) 4 u) EB 8d6 4 u) Entangle 4d6 DEF 4 4 u) Force Wall 8 rPD 8 rED 5 ES: RPT, OAF: Avengers ID Card (-1) 2 Flight 1", Megascale 1km (+1/4), Use Simultaneously (+1/2), 8x Mass (+3/4), OIF[bulky]: Avengers Quinjet (-1) 24 Force Field +10 rPD +10 rED, No END (+1/2), Gestures (-1/4) 5 Luck 1d6 17 Missile Deflection [All Ranged Attacks] +5, Linked [Force Field] (-1/2), Gestures (-1/4) 6 Mental Defense 10 Points 2 Running +1" Total Powers Cost:: 125 Points Total Cost: 250 Points 150+ Disadvantages 10 DF: Mutant (Concealable/Technology/Major Reaction) 10 Hunted: Magneto (As Powerful/NCI/Mild) 8- 10 Hunted: S.H.I.E.L.D. (More Powerful/NCI/Watch) 8- 20 Normal Characteristics Maxima 15 PsyL: In Love With Vision (Common/Strong) 20 PsyL: Protective Of Innocents (Very Common/Strong) 10 SocL: Secret Identity [Wanda Maximoff] (Occasionally/Major) 5 Unluck 1d6 Total Disadvantages Cost: 250 Points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I would probably give her a power pool, given her power descriptions, save that she doesn't really seem to manipulate reality so much as zap things in weird ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Avengers Quinjet Flight 1", Megascale 1km (+1/4), Use Simultaneously (+1/2), 8x Mass (+3/4), OIF[bulky]: Quinjet (-1) 2 Points This is a low cost means of allowing the Avengers team members to get to the scene of battle. With a 4 SPD character the "Quinjet" is capable of 744 mph. Quinjet should be built as a vehicle since the speed it is capable of shouldn't have any basis in the character flying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I would probably give her a power pool, given her power descriptions, save that she doesn't really seem to manipulate reality so much as zap things in weird ways. I built Scarlet Witch's hex bolts have being able to cause a number of strange things to happen as simply as possible. She could base a wall of fire to appear (Force Wall), building material to trap someone (Entangle), or fire bolts of Magic (EB). She doesn't have much in the way of defensive powers but can intercept attacks (Missile Deflection) and is a trained Martial Artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Having some minor hand-to-hand combat ability does not make Wanda a trained Martial Artist. She's a blaster or a hostage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yeah, the way you built Scarlet Witch's powers make more sense than how I had in mind, given what she actually does in the comics. The way she's described, she should be more Proteus, but she's instead Green Lantern without a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Having some minor hand-to-hand combat ability does not make Wanda a trained Martial Artist. She's a blaster or a hostage. I gave her full "Generic Martial Arts" because she has so few defenses powers that I thought she could use Martial Dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Wanda strikes a pose pose and points. She isn't a frontline fighter. Never has been. Never was intended to be. The only time I recall her hauling off and belting someone was when she hit Modred the Mystic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Wanda strikes a pose pose and points. She isn't a frontline fighter. Never has been. Never was intended to be. The only time I recall her hauling off and belting someone was when she hit Modred the Mystic. "Strikes a pose and points". Good thing they didn't make Avengers movies in the 80s otherwise she'd be played by Madonna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Madonna struck a pose and groped herself because no one else would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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