DasBroot Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Would you, as a GM, let a character using a persistent or constant power that has a hand held OAF (a magic wand used to put up Resistant Protection, a sword that provides Power Defense, etc) benefit from that power if they put that item away but it remained Obvious (wand tip still glows, sword sparkles, etc) and Accessible? Pros (player): Obviously it means you don't have to run around with a magic wand in your hand all day if you want your Mage Armor spell to last. It lets you use the power and then use your hands for something else. Though Baron William may wonder why you have your mage armor spell up at his ball while dancing with his daughter. Pros (GM): It's easier to Disarm since the attempt isn't resisted by the targets strength any longer. Handy if said Focus provides Strength. Cons (player): That whole disarm thing. If your rival uses a 3 point Telekinesis to steal the wand on your belt that is currently sustaining your 60 ap Resistant Protection power you have nobody to blame but yourself. Cons (GM): Here's where opinion comes in. I don't really see any. So long as the criteria of the limitation are met and the Focus remains Obvious (so no sticking it in your backpack), and Accessible (so no chaining it to your belt with anything that would impede its removal: a length of iron chain, a magic scabbard that is itself an IIF that somehow holds the item in place (Clinging, Telekinesis, selective Desolidification, etc)) I don't see a problem. You can guess how I ruled in my game but I'm curious as to how other GMs would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 If there is some clear indication that the mage's magic armor is still up despite not currently encanting and there is some general way to recognize the source (wand is visibly glowing and humming with power) and there is no dictate that the power require actions thoughout, I would allow it to be tucked away. But simply putting in a bag wouldn't be enough to obscure it. The bag would likely glow as if a flashlight were in it and hum as if a vibrating cell phone was going off. And of course the field of protection would be noticeable. And of course putting it into a vulnerable bag is just going to make it vulnerable. Player's choice. Soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I don't see a problem: the focus must be obvious and accessible. It does not have to be hindering - ie: occupying a character's hand. After all, OAF: wand and OAF: Ioun stone are worth exactly the same limitation, and one is essentially "stowed" all the time. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I don't see a problem with this either but common sense must be applied here: if the wand is merely an activator and does not have to be held in the hand, it's fine, although I am not aware of any magic wands in stories that still function if not held in the hands (not saying there aren't any, just that I'm not aware of any). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyAppleseed098 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I don't have a problem as long as the sheath doesn't cover the concealment modifier. I mean if you hid a gun (OAF) in your vest, it makes logical sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Agreed. I think the pros and the cons here balance out roughly - as long as the GM and player are in agreement as to what those are. (ie - don't get mad when someone Grabs it and you don't get a STR Roll to resist...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 A sword is an Obvious Accessible Focus, and a sword can be sheathed.Or is the question, can it be sheathed and still function? Even then, I don't see a problem. If it is Obvious and Accessible when in use it meets the requirements even if it's not taking up "handspace." Lucius Alexander Obvious Inaccessible Palindromedary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Typist Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I don't have a problem as long as the sheath doesn't cover the concealment modifier. I mean if you hid a gun (OAF) in your vest, it makes logical sense. The difference being that the gun isn't active (ideally!) when holstered, as compared to the wand example in which the focus provides its effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Swords and guns produce an Instant effect, Killing Attack, when used, so they're not really directly comparable to a wand that produces a Constant effect like Force Field. A rules stickler would probably say that one needs to buy the Force Field with Uncontrolled, so it is no longer tied to its casting requirements once it is on. Less of a stickler might take a page from the Extra Time limitation, and only give half value if the limitation is 'only to start'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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