Side Effects and Figured Characteristics

[Rebar]

I was thinking of saddling my Growth character with Side Effects.

 

He's got 6 levels of Growth w/ 1/2 End (40AP), and his other powers (armour, running, CON, etc) are proportional to the number of levels he uses. I bought this as a -1/4 limitation.

 

I thought I'd apply an Int Drain. So, at full growth (actually, with any growth, since it has a minimum effect), he'll be hit with the minimum 15 points of effect, which would be 1 1/2D6 Drain .

 

Minor SE is only a -1/4 limitation. So I take the 'always occurs whenever power is used' which will make it a -1/2. But then I take the 'predefined damage' (+1/4) and it's back to zero (because 2x0 is zero)

 

 

So I'm going to have to go with a Major SE. I'll have it affect INT and DEX.

 

(This kinda sucks, really.

1] I'm buying a side effect that applies to his entire power set. He doesn't have the option to avoid it except by not using any of his powers.

2] It kicks in at full effect, even if he only uses one level of growth.)

 

 

Anyway, I could not find any mention of what happens to figured characteristics when a primary characteristic is drained. I'm sure it's mentioned, I just don't know where. Does his SPD drop?

 

In the past, I've bought  DEX without the figured characteristics, which I put at a -1/2 lim. So would it be kosher to buy Drain DEX as if it were 2CP per point of DEX instead of 3?

 

 

Bah. Maybe I should make it simple and just buy it as a disad: loses 1 pt of INT/DEX per level of growth.

 

 

[dsatow]

Don't buy side effects on the power.  Buy down Int and then buy it back with the limitation not vs proportional level of growth.  So if you have 6 levels of growth and want to be down 12 int when at full power, buy down your int by 12 and buy it back up with the limitation.  Its effectively a reversed linked.

 

I'd probably give you a -1/2 limitation on the Int if I was GMing.

[Ninja-Bear]

Rebar I’ll have to check but I’m sure your off when calculating the SE limitation value. You went from -1/4 to -1/2 which is fine but (I’m damn sure) that the +1/4 is adjusted to to the -1/2 which then brings the limitation value at a total -1/4.. not sure where you’re getting the 0 from.

[Hugh Neilson]

I prefer dsatow's approach.  I don't think I should get a (say) -1/2 limitation on 150 points, saving 50, which I can offset by spending 15 points to buy +5 DEX, No Figured and +5 INT.  As Growth is Constant, I'd expect a Side Effect that "always happens" to apply each phase the power remains in use, not just when activated (just as a Side Effect on Blast means each phase I Blast invokes the side effect).

 

Adjustment powers do not affect Figured Characteristics.

[Rebar]

5 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said:

Rebar I’ll have to check but I’m sure your off when calculating the SE limitation value. You went from -1/4 to -1/2 which is fine but (I’m damn sure) that the +1/4 is adjusted to to the -1/2 which then brings the limitation value at a total -1/4.. not sure where you’re getting the 0 from.

It's confusing. At least the way Hero Designer has it.

 

'always occurs whenever power is used' is a 2x factor. So the -1/4 would become a -1/2.
but 

'does predefined damage' is a +1/4 - and is applied first. So the -1/4 becomes 0. Which, x2, is still zero.

[Ninja-Bear]

17 hours ago, Rebar said:

It's confusing. At least the way Hero Designer has it.

 

'always occurs whenever power is used' is a 2x factor. So the -1/4 would become a -1/2.
but 

'does predefined damage' is a +1/4 - and is applied first. So the -1/4 becomes 0. Which, x2, is still zero.

Hmmm. Well then talk to GM and see if you can just use -1/4 for limitation. If need be then in HD, just use custom limitation.

 

Yeah my order was off so what I suggested is “illegal” but I don’t see the harm in still giving you a -1/4.  So I’d still ask the GM.

[eepjr24]

On 7/24/2018 at 2:28 AM, dsatow said:

Don't buy side effects on the power.  Buy down Int and then buy it back with the limitation not vs proportional level of growth.  So if you have 6 levels of growth and want to be down 12 int when at full power, buy down your int by 12 and buy it back up with the limitation.  Its effectively a reversed linked.

 

I'd probably give you a -1/2 limitation on the Int if I was GMing.

I would also go with this method, although I would probably only give you a -1/4 if you buy it as proportional or -1/2 if all of the INT is lost on the first level of growth, etc.

 

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[IndianaJoe3]

You could put the character's Growth in a Multipower with some of their INT. Above a certain level of Growth, they have to reallocate the points.

[dsatow]

6 hours ago, IndianaJoe3 said:

You could put the character's Growth in a Multipower with some of their INT. Above a certain level of Growth, they have to reallocate the points.

6th ed though, broke that option.

[Rebar]

11 hours ago, IndianaJoe3 said:

You could put the character's Growth in a Multipower with some of their INT. Above a certain level of Growth, they have to reallocate the points.

Heh. I suppose that's one way to do it.

[dmjalund]

You could have a Multiform with each form representing a stage in growth