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I thought this was interesting...

4 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

I for one find your soapbox quite entertaining.

 

 

As a point of trivia, I remember the Surfer doing that once before, 'way back in 1969 for Silver Surfer issue #6. Norrin bypassed Galactus' barrier around the Earth by traveling to the far future when it was no longer in place, by the means you describe. There he discovered that the Earth, and much of the universe, had been devastated and conquered by an incredibly powerful mutant calling himself the Overlord. Unable to defeat the Overlord, the Surfer traveled back in time to the accident which created him, and prevented it from ever happening. Then he returned to the present. (Now, if he'd only thought to return to the present outside the barrier...)

THEN, to find out in Fantastic Four, that the barrier was ONLY ON HIS BOARD!  So, all he had to do was dismiss his board, the FF used their super flying car to lift him beyond the shield, then he spawned a new board, and off he went!!!

Real world super thieves do not post their work...  A few years ago there a was a HUGE diamond heist - all the top LE agencies had a had in the investigation - the thieves were never found, nor was the diamond...

Criminals of that level, don't post their crimes.

Otherwise, I'm totally digging all the rest of the info here...

O.P. I'm trying to understand your question; are you asking:

1. Does anyone have ANY SS builds (regardless of how close it is with the numbers)?
2. Does anyone have A SS build that would fit in a "normal game"?
3. Does someone have a "legit" SS build, based on X point and time SS from Marvel Comics, issues xx to yy?

I am thinking of my recent experience making a version of Binary for my wife...  1500 points later, and she's still not as powerful as I would put the "average" Binary...  The reason I'm asking for clarification, goes back to a point I made a LONG time ago - which is basically if you want an "accurate" build for any comic book character, you have to be very specific about exactly when you are talking; comic book characters change dramatically based on who is writing/penciling/inking them, what they need for a plot point in the story, and over longer spans, how society changes.

A simple SS example: at one point after Frankie became Nova and Galactus' new Herold - SS was trying to explain to her how, even though she was finding planets with no intelligent life on them NOW, that would not always be the case - so, she jumps on his board (because SHE COULDN'T FLY FAST ENOUGH) and he flew so fast around the planet as to go hundreds of thousands of years into the future, showing her how intelligent life would evolve on that planet.  By the way, the fact that he did this, seemed localized, as clearly not only did Galactus not "eat" the planet, but nothing else affected it either...  Then, they simply returned to "current" time (I don't think they even showed them do that, I'd have to go dig it out and look)...

Now imagine trying to put points to that one power he seemed to develop on the fly, like it was nothing; and I am unaware of him ever using it in this way again...

Obvious plot point by that author - but, also a legit power from that point in time for that character.

Much like Racheal Summers Phoenix almost absorbing all or most of the lifeforce in the ENTIRE Marvel universe, to kill someone; not once, but TWICE!  The Beyonder AND Galactus - at different points, with different authors...

Again, obvious plot point by those authors - but, also legit power from those TWO points of time for that character...

The same can be said for wild fluctuations for the Hulk as an example in Marvel, but also Superman, Wonderwoman and others in DC as well - again, all based on what the writer and artists needed for that particular plot, or how society had changed over the years (remember the cover of Superman barely lifting a car?  Or how WW evolved over the years?).

Sorry, I just realized I had gotten on my soapbox again, without even noticing it...  <Soapbox mode, disengaged>

Is this centered around the PDF or hard copy, or both?  Are they the same?

1 hour ago, Terminax said:

I don't go into other people's threads and have rando conversations that are just out to piss someone off.

Dude, if that was in reference to my original response; you completely missed my intentions.  I thought your statement about right-wing politics was funny, and made a joke.  I was not intending to piss anyone off, including you.

I also didn't intend to derail your thread, and even apologized for doing so.

Perhaps if you're going to make such a strong statement about anyone's politics, you should have a bit of a thicker skin...

Back to the original programing...

14 minutes ago, Terminax said:

Guys, when I said "To save us all time and energy let's just silently agree to disagree and your presence or commentary are not necessary". I meant, don't litter my thread with your completely off-topic banter. 

 

 

Ohhhhhhh, right, sorry...

57 minutes ago, Tjack said:

   Rowdy Roddy Piper said that in They Live.  Different wrestler, different movie.

    I’ll take the heat if anybody complains, but I won’t take much.  

  I just checked YouTube and the line is “I’m surrounded by a bunch of slack-jawed fa990ts, this stuff will make you a goddamned sexual tyrannosaurus!”  
   I don’t like the word and I won’t put up with anybody using the word to put someone down. I don’t even like it when a gay person uses it or when a black person uses the...God help us “N-word” but I don’t think I get a vote on those. 
I won’t put up with a lot of whining when those words or others are used to quote something accurately. Calling the character from Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn “N-word Jim” makes everybody look stupid and takes away the ability for people to call out the ignorant ones who use that kind of language to destroy.

Well, I appreciate you taking the heat, even a little.

However, the reason I love that quote, is because it's the context it's used in - when I was in the Marine Corps, and still in those Marine Veteran circles, gay men jokes are super common - not in depredating gay men, but more in a commonly accepted trope of absolute superiority over another man.  You can't get much more dominating than forcing another man to have gay sex...

It's just like when I say "he (does whatever) like a little girl."

I have immediate family members who are both gay men, and have been in the Corps - I also have two daughters, one who was in the Corps and one who is serving right now - they all take the jokes in context - in fact, my adult kids have even been known to use them.

So, bottom line - I don't use that word either, except in the company of other hard corps types, who get it.  Which, ironically, is the setting in the movie, and the way that quote is taken by my family...

48 minutes ago, Duke Bushido said:

Well great.

 

Now I want more than anything to know what your favorite line is.....

Hahahaha, NOT apparently in THIS thread Bucko!

57 minutes ago, Terminax said:

A note to those people with particularly strong Right-Wing/Libertarian views or apocalyptical Evangelical Christian beliefs or anti-LGBTQ+ leanings - my table are not for you. To save us all time and energy let's just silently agree to disagree and your presence or commentary are not necessary.

Man!  That means I can't use my favorite Predator line from Jesse, after he offers everyone in the chopper some chew; without some Snowflake getting their feelings hurt.  Oh well, I can still use "I ain't got time to bleed..."  or "If it bleeds, we can kill it..."

I am a registered Independent, with serious Libertarian leanings - but, that usually means "socially liberal", at least to me...

Looking forward to the rest.

12 minutes ago, Derek Hiemforth said:

 

I didn't think the question was about whether or not the bike should be paid for with CP.  I thought it was about whether it's okay to just buy it as Running with a Focus instead of buying it as a full-blown Vehicle using the vehicle rules.  Did I misunderstand?

Perhaps I misunderstood, or at a minimum conflated the two...  I was trying to agree, and say that since it would have "game stats" in-game use, that the point cost seemed reasonable - but, if they were only using it for transport (per the quote below), it could just be an everyman device.

On 6/1/2021 at 1:28 PM, Nekkidcarpenter said:

Have it cost an appropriate amount of points per its usefulness in your game.  If it's basically a plot device to let him travel between scenes faster, ask yourself if that's more valuable to him as a player or you as a gm?  Sometimes the journey IS the adventure (see the Middle Earth Travelogue; LotR) but usually in supers games you want that part finished with the least fuss necessary.

 

Sorry, if I muddied the waters...

This reminds me of the smartphone conversation; to me, totally depends on how the player uses it.

If it's like reality, and the device is just something they have, used as a prop basically (quick searches for basic info, getting from point A to point B, etc.) - then to me it really doesn't matter; everyman device.

The second they want an AI more powerful than "Siri" or the bike to do something cool IN the game (Ghost Rider anyone?); then it's a power and should be paid for...

My ought two...

P.S.  We also learned, which the book tells you (and I should have taken to heart); that we need to premake several power-cards up for Solar's VPP, so we're not having to do the math on the fly as she comes up with them...

Well, first game in the books!  A shortened version of what happened -->

I did an solo intro (kind of like a tutorial) with each character:

• Solar - wife's flying energy projector with a big VPP (based on Binary) - she had to stabilize the Golden Gate bridge after a massive earthquake and rescue many people on it.  She used her strength (80) along with massive force fields (VPP), to stabilize the bridge; then flew around and rescued many of the people injured on the bridge (regenerate other - from her VPP); then flew into the city and used her force fields and STR again to stabilize several buildings that were in danger of falling.  Eventually working with several local supers and supers with FEMA and the Red Cross to help people; until the government started asking questions about who she was (she's a new hero) - at which point she flew up into space to escape them.
• Capt. Force - buddy's martial brick - called upon to stop a rampaging brick from running amok in the city center (he is on Narrai Prime, as he is a Narrai character).  He flew to the scene, where the berzerking worker caste Narria was rampaging and confronted him, initially trying to stop him by "talking him down"; when that didn't work, he analyzed him to learn his powers, learning he had a damage shield and then started the fight.  Having learned about his damage shield, instead of just going fisticuffs, he used martial throw to Judo the guy, slamming him into the ground over and over, until he was unconscious.

Capt. Force was then asked to accompany the ambassador to earth, as both the Narrai and the Lyrissi were going to address the UN General Assembly.

Upon arrival, they see the human woman in space, absorbing huge amount of Z-rad (Wife's character); just as Capt. Force has flown out of his Narrai ship and started a discussion with her, another object catches her attention, and Capt. Force radios his ship who are tracking it on sensors also - an unidentified craft, approaching at a high rate of speed.

Solar flys out to meet the craft, while Capt. Force (who is not near as fast), helps prepare the ship for possibly battle.  Solar scans the ship for life (VPP), finding life in it; she then scans for danger (Danger Sense, again from VPP) and determines there is great danger to earth from the ship/it's inhabitant.  Just as she is about to try to disable it's propulsion, it shoots off at an even higher rate of speed, landing in the mall in DC.

Capt. Force goes down to join Solar, as they watch a bioluminescent, octopus/squid like alien exit the craft - both heroes have universal translator, so they both understand the creature as it repeats over and over, "Weapons, must acquire…  She is coming…"

The heroes eventually confront the creature, after it has knocked several Capital Police out with TK strikes, and then completely destroys a SURGE'd Capital Police officer who jumps to attack it.  Solar eventually encloses the alien in a force barrier sphere (VPP), that it cannot get out of.  After Capt. Force uses his mental control power to get the alien to agro on him; Solar scans the alien and determining it is susceptible/vulnerable to heat/dehydration; she heats the air in the sphere, doing STUN only damage, and knocks the creature unconscious.

They then mind-probe (Solar's VPP again) the creature and learn it is an alien from Europa (moon of Saturn, aliens based on the movie Europa Report).  They learn that the species was enslaved during the last invasion by the Empress, some 7500 years ago, and that the alien's oracles have foreseen her return.  The alien was sent to recover some sort of ancient relic housed at the Smithsonian (one of the elemental bands - of liquid).

The heroes speak to the ambassador of the Narrai, who told them of ancient legends/myths of a time when this sector of the galaxy was invaded, and the Narrai, Lyrissi and Human (Gods of old), joined forces, using some ancient relics and made her invasion so costly, she eventually abandoned it; though she vowed to return.  The ambassador didn't (and still really doesn't) think it was true.

The game ends with the FBI SURGE team taking the alien to a containment facility (after they promised Solar they would not dissect it; sure they won't).  And the heroes ensured the ambassador would at least warn the Earth and Lyrissi delegates - which he did, begrudgingly; basically only telling them only what the alien believed...

In the next game, the heroes plan to travel to Europa (having mostly forgotten the relic), to speak to the aliens and discover what they know...

Everyone had a great time!

5 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said:

I think that might be a reference to Booster Gold?

If you meant on my part; it was unintentional.

5 hours ago, Ockham's Spoon said:

Return exotic alien creature to its owner (probably the child of an important political or military figure) or to the zoo.  But the creature is hard to catch as it can turn invisible, desolid, and/or it teleports.  And as they chase it around, it causes a number of accidents where the heroes would be compelled to save innocent people.  You might watch the Harry Potter spin-off movie Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them for inspiration.

I LOVE this one - for sure on the list!  Thanks.

3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned a high-powered hero classic, saving people from natural disasters: earthquake, wildfire, hurricane, etc. Of course the cause of the disaster doesn't necessarily have to be natural...

Yeah, first game for the human hero; earthquake in San Francisco and Golden Gate bridge is collapsing...

1 hour ago, archer said:

Heist at a space museum where the security guard steals a flight ring and a flying security robot then tries to flee into the past.

That's an interesting one...

1 hour ago, Grailknight said:

Save the Planet from the asteroid.

 

Stop the pirates interrupting the trade routes.

 

Capture the escapee(s) from the intergalactic super-max.

 

Evade and stop the bounty hunters after you.

 

Guard the diplomatic conference from a terrorist.

 

It's just a matter of scale. You can use old Silver Surfer, Green Lantern or LSH plots as best fits your campaign tone.

Oh, I like the escapee(s) from Intergalactic super-max!  I also like the diplomatic conference.  Both those fit nice in my campaign.

I also like a variation on the "save the planet from the asteroid"; thanks to Debris (TV show), I can do "save the planet from falling alien debris" and then spinoff with "now deal with the ramifications" and "where did this come from?"

Thank you; great ideas!

10 hours ago, Tjack said:

Maybe try running the space/cosmic version of “You’re all in a tavern”.  A sleazy space station bar, (think Quark’s or that place on Tatooine) waiting around for somebody to make contact or for a ship to arrive, or the players ship to be repaired or cleared through customs.  Start with the D&D tropes and build from there. If it’s just a filler episode you don’t need to pour to much deep thought into it. By their very nature fillers are supposed to be a palette cleanser between serious adventures. Just have fun, that goes for you as well as the players.

For cosmic-powered supers, that's a bit extreme (as it could quickly escalate into collateral damage up to and including destroying the planet they're on)...

However, did remind me of the "captured for the arena" trope...  Thanks for the inspiration.

Low though I walk through the valley of death,

But I shall fear no evil,

For Danger Scarf is with me!

Oh, I know it's not my turn - but I just had to do this (before I forget, I'm old), cause I thought of it when reading the thread name, and couldn't (wait for my turn, cause I'd forget; did I say that?) help myself:

The Great Googly Moogly's

As in: "Great googly moogly" is an expression that had been uttered by Willie Dixon in Howlin' Wolf's 1961 recording of "Going Down Slow".

I think the fun is that the theme is whatever comes to your mind from the name...  May the mayhem begin.  You're welcome.

When I first read their name, I thought they must all have dreads...  😉

So, have a new campaign starting Saturday (05/29) and I have the first few games planned out - I also have the campaign-long concept planned <link>; what I need some assistance with will be the "normal games" that fill in the campaign.

What kind of "'normal games" or filler games, would makes sense for two cosmic-powered supers?  One is a hyper-flying energy shooter (Binary/Silver Surfer), the other is a cosmic powered martial/brick.

In a "normal" campaign; it's fairly easy - bad guys are robbing a bank, or blowing something up, or stealing a super-weapon, etc.  A little harder for me to come up with the run-a-the-mill cosmic-level "normal games".

All ideas welcome!

I like all three ideas!

2 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

I did develop a plot I was going to write up for Xarriel, the CU's Thanos/Darkseid analogue, to use three specific official cosmic artifacts to essentially pull off MCU Thanos's final gambit, destroying the entire universe then recreating it in his image; although not nearly as simplistically as snapping his fingers. There are reasons for Xarriel to seek those artifacts on Earth. It wouldn't be too improbable to substitute Istvatha for him.

I did see another thread on this - very nice.

2 hours ago, archer said:

How about a god or robot that needs to be reassembled?

 

For example, in Egyptian mythology, Set killed his brother Osiris and scattered the pieces of his body.

 

Isis went on a quest and retrieved the body parts and temporarily revived Osiris with a spell. Their son Horus was conceived and when he grew up eventually defeated his uncle Set.

I do like the idea of Osiris...

Unfortunately, a "rod" or staff (in our case) that had been shattered and needed to be put back together in order to defeat an evil God was the primary MacGuffin in one of our earliest, longest, and still talked about campaigns...