Metaphysician Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 An idea struck me for how to modify the Champs U timeline so that the 4th Edition team doesn't get retconned: multiple incarnations. Specifically, the first team called the Champions was a group founded in the late 70s, by a stranded alien prince who took the name Obsidian, in order to better protect his adopted home. All the 4th Ed members would be there, except Defender. Obsidian gets modified some to better fill both the tech and leadership roles; basically, he's an older and more experienced prince before he crashed, and about 400 points when the team was founded. Everyone else is about the same, but built on 300 points. The team is quite successful, leading some to speculate that it would be the next "big" team, like the Sentinels and Justice Squadron. . . until Obsidians people arrived. Basically, his father was dead, and the empire was falling into civil war. They had just found Obsidian(1), and he was desperately needed back home to take his place as King. As such, he regretfully left Earth, and the Champions, in the mid 80s. Bereft of their leader, the team eventually fell apart, mostly due to conflict between Quantum and Seeker over her more brutal methods. The team parted ways, except for Seeker and Solitaire, who found a common bound in their interest in truth ( to say nothing of some romantic feelings ). Quantum remained an active, albeit brutal, hero, until her death in the Battle of Detroit. Jaguar didn't last that long; enemies he had made while a Champion among VIPER assassinated him a few years after the team disbanded. Seeker and Solitaire remained both partners and a couple, and eventually wed. To this day, they are active as heroes(2),albeit mostly in less public mystic and martial circles. Many years after the Battle of Detroit, the hero Defender decided to found a superteam in Millenium City. Having encountered Seeker and Solitaire earlier in his career, and knowing the story of the team that was, Defender decided to resurrect the Champions. . . 1. Idea: While an accident, or assassination attempt, is what stranded Obsidian on Earth, his location was rediscovered by his father not long after. This discovery was kept extremely secret, however; there were troubles in the empire, and the best way to protect his son and heir was for everyone to think he was already dead. 2. Given that circa the Battle of Detroit, Seeker and Solitaire would both be 550+ point heroes with over a decade of experience, I don't have a good reason why they weren't present. Ideas?? Oh, and if anybody has any other ideas for how to incorporate the 4th Ed Champions into 5th Ed continuity. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 I can't see Solitaire not stepping forward to give Witchcraft some badly-needed mentoring if she was still alive. (Not to mention that screw Witchcraft, if Solitaire was still alive in continuity, *she'd* be the next Archmage.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhammeWhamme Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Well. Looking at S and S's 500+ sheets... No inspiration there. Wait... Only Solitaire has healing powers, and she relies on a ForceField for defense... Solitaire was critically wounded and unconscious somewhere in Asia, and Seeker was nursing her back to health in private. By the time Seeker managed to tear himself away from her sickbed and begin to travel to Detroit it was too late. The city had been demolished by Destroyer, and Quantum (and so many others...) were dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Assuming Defender got permission beforehand ( he probably would ), Solitaire probably *would* mentor Witchcraft. Though, thats one possibility re: Solitaire- while the Battle of Detroit was going on, Solitaire was busy acquiring her true heritage as the new Archmage ( with the help of Seeker and the Trismegistus Council ). This would also help explain why the two aren't constantly around to act as an old guard to the new Champions: Solitaire has Archmage business to handle, and Seeker is either helping her or training for the Tournament of the Dragon. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Scrivner Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Tut, tut. What I want to see is the 3rd edition Guardians in 5th edition continuity. With all the Experience Points they'd have garnered since 1983, they'd teach these Johnny-Come-Lately heroes some manners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Who are the 3rd Ed Champions?? ( and if they appeared in 1983, then they postdated my insertion of the 4th Ed Champs, anyway ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlestaff Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Metaphysician Who are the 3rd Ed Champions?? Marksman, Rose, Gargoyle, Goliath (I believe), and Icestar (I believe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cadet Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Battlestaff Marksman, Rose, Gargoyle, Goliath (I believe), and Icestar (I believe). Unless I'm mistaken, Battlestaff, the character you referred to as Goliath was actually named Giant. IIRC, there were some other members of that group as well (at least in the comic books featuring those characters): Flare, Sparkplug, Lady Arcane and Icicle (Icestar's sister, if memory serves me). Space Cadet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlestaff Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Space Cadet Unless I'm mistaken, Battlestaff, the character you referred to as Goliath was actually named Giant. IIRC, there were some other members of that group as well (at least in the comic books featuring those characters): Flare, Sparkplug, Lady Arcane and Icicle (Icestar's sister, if memory serves me). Space Cadet Thanks for the memory jog Space Cadet!! It was Giant, not Goliath (I just remember the big G on his costume). And Flare and Icicle I believe were members. As for Sparkplug, I have absolutely no recall of him/her/it. Any help as to what Sparkplug was? Lady Arcane I don't think was an actual member in the comic, but was more of an ally. She wasn't a member when looking at the game supplements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 The 1st through 3rd Edition Champions were actually called "The Guardians." They consisted of: Dove Flare Gargoyle Goliath Icestar Marksman Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Metaphysician This would also help explain why the two aren't constantly around to act as an old guard to the new Champions: Solitaire has Archmage business to handle, and Seeker is either helping her or training for the Tournament of the Dragon. . . That's actually a good idea. Every Archmage can use a loyal warrior-champion to watch her back and help her fight monsters. Seeker could go get Akumashibaru's "Ghost-Cutting Sword" and end up being the Black Knight to her Doctor Strange, only infinitely less lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 It was Goliath, changed to Giant for the Comics because they didn't want Marvel to sue over the Goliath name. Some of the other characters mentioned but I don't know if they were ever official Guardians: Aircobra White Dove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Chuckg That's actually a good idea. Every Archmage can use a loyal warrior-champion to watch her back and help her fight monsters. Seeker could go get Akumashibaru's "Ghost-Cutting Sword" and end up being the Black Knight to her Doctor Strange, only infinitely less lame. OR to show how geeky I truely am. He could be the Squall to her Rinoa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 I'm currently running a campaign based in 1992 Detroit, a few months before the Battle. I'm using 4th edition Champions as a New York superteam, but I've been planning on retiring them (except Defender) to make room for the 5th edition Champions. Thanks for the cool ideas, Metaphysician. I'll be stealing a few of them, if you don't mind. I like the idea of having Seeker and Solitaire as a married couple. But what about Lin Chow, Seeker's SO and Green Dragon's sister? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 You'd need to drag back Green Dragon's personal timeline in order to allow his sister as an SO for Seeker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Uh, why? Lin Chow was listed as Green Dragon's sister in Normals Unbound, and then as Seeker's SO in Watchers of the Dragon. Also, this doesn't contraddict Green Dragon's earlier writeup. I was just wondering why Seeker and Lin Chow broke up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Because Green Dragon is a 5th Edition character, with an origin recent in the timeline. You would have to revert him to 4th Ed version, and make him a contemporary of the first group of Champions ( late 70s- early 80s ) for a romance with his sister to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckg Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Enforcer84 OR to show how geeky I truely am. He could be the Squall to her Rinoa... Squall is an emotionally stunted whiny b**ch, and Seeker will *NEVER* be like him! Tidus to her Yuna, maybe. Cloud to her Tifa. Something like that. But Squall and Rinoa? /ewwwwwwwww/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cadet Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Battlestaff Thanks for the memory jog Space Cadet!! It was Giant, not Goliath (I just remember the big G on his costume). And Flare and Icicle I believe were members. As for Sparkplug, I have absolutely no recall of him/her/it. Any help as to what Sparkplug was? Lady Arcane I don't think was an actual member in the comic, but was more of an ally. She wasn't a member when looking at the game supplements. Sparkplug was Flare's sister, and was an electrical energy-projector with flight powers. IIRC, she was a result of the same experiment that gave Flare and their brother(?) their abilities. I think that the character called Poinsettia was also part of the same experiment, but I'm not absolutely certain of this. Space Cadet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Metaphysician Because Green Dragon is a 5th Edition character, with an origin recent in the timeline. You would have to revert him to 4th Ed version, and make him a contemporary of the first group of Champions ( late 70s- early 80s ) for a romance with his sister to work. Instead of his sister, it's GDs mom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by lemming Instead of his sister, it's GDs mom! After Seeker is kept alive by cybernetic implants of Defender-tech, he visits Green Dragon, "Deng, I am your father." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Metaphysician Because Green Dragon is a 5th Edition character, with an origin recent in the timeline. You would have to revert him to 4th Ed version, and make him a contemporary of the first group of Champions ( late 70s- early 80s ) for a romance with his sister to work. And there's nothing in the 5th Edition Green Dragon's character that would prevent him from having a sister for Seeker to date, so it's really not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Except that in this little world, Seeker's free dating period predated Green Dragon's arrival by, oh, about a decade and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Metaphysician Except that in this little world, Seeker's free dating period predated Green Dragon's arrival by, oh, about a decade and a half. sperm bank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted January 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 At which point, Seeker isn't dating her in the slightest, and is perfectly free to date and wed Solitaire in the late 80s/early 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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