yamamura Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Recently one of my players linked his healing(Regeneration) with Life Support: Immortality and I said that while I couldn't find anything in the rules against it, I felt it was still an illegal construct. Now my player had no problem dropping it, but I hope I made the right choice. Any comments? G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormraven Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I'd have to say I'd have made the same ruling. I don't see linking anything to a 0 end, persistent power that has little effect on small scale game mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanderbilt_Grad Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Only if the life support had some kind of limitation itself could I see Healing being linked to it. Otherwise the the linked limitation would not really limit the healing power in any way. A limitation that doesn't limit the character is not worth any point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I would allow it. Effectively, what that means is that the regeneration is a condition of the fact that the character is immortal. Remove the characters immortality, and the Regeneration goes away. Makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I have a fictional precedent for it. In the manga: The Five Star Stories, the main character, Amaterasu is an immortal (he is a deity born into flesh) and can regenerate, even from a few ashes. However at one point during the story he is "killed" and for some reason, his powers don't kick in. His Immortality was turned off by dimesional interference, and as a result, his regeneration power never kicked in. He was later healed by a miracle potion (called "The Water of Life" How Dune) but his immortality was still "off" and his regeneration null and void until such a time as he was able to reconnect with his power source on his home planet. There's a perfect example of Regeneration linked to Immortality Life Support power.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caris Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I would say that personally, I wouldn't allow it. My simple reason is that I just don't drain/dispell/suppress lifesupport enough for the limitation to come into play. Even if the life support were limited so that it didn't always work, I'd simply apply the same limitations to the Regeneration, rather than linking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmerged Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Vanderbilt_Grad Only if the life support had some kind of limitation itself could I see Healing being linked to it. Otherwise the the linked limitation would not really limit the healing power in any way. A limitation that doesn't limit the character is not worth any point. That's where I stand as well. Linked usually isn't appropriate for constant powers to begin with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by TheEmerged That's where I stand as well. Linked usually isn't appropriate for constant powers to begin with... I don't really agree with this view (I can think of way too many valid reasons to Link something to a Constant Power), but I would certainly say that it's rarely appropriate to Link something to a Persistent Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 The rule is "A Limitation which doesn't restrict the character isn't worth points" [paraphrase]. Since the Immortality is almost always going to be on, Linked shouldn't be worth anything. If, for some reason, the GM knows that Immortality Drains are common (and that losing Immortality won't flat out kill the character), then maybe it's worth something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmerged Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Derek Hiemforth I don't really agree with this view (I can think of way too many valid reasons to Link something to a Constant Power), but I would certainly say that it's rarely appropriate to Link something to a Persistent Power. "Persistent" is what I meant when I said "constant". That was a dropped ball on my end. It was late and I was celebrating my Patriots winning I also thought of something else -- you really shouldn't have the more expensive power (regeneration) linked to a less expensive power (Unaging). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by NuSoardGraphite I would allow it. Effectively, what that means is that the regeneration is a condition of the fact that the character is immortal. Remove the characters immortality, and the Regeneration goes away. Makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I have a fictional precedent for it. In the manga: The Five Star Stories, the main character, Amaterasu is an immortal (he is a deity born into flesh) and can regenerate, even from a few ashes. However at one point during the story he is "killed" and for some reason, his powers don't kick in. His Immortality was turned off by dimesional interference, and as a result, his regeneration power never kicked in. He was later healed by a miracle potion (called "The Water of Life" How Dune) but his immortality was still "off" and his regeneration null and void until such a time as he was able to reconnect with his power source on his home planet. There's a perfect example of Regeneration linked to Immortality Life Support power.. I would say no. I quoted the above to illustrate something however: Regeneration from Death requires a "death condition", the above story it could be ruled that as long as the character has his Life Support he will regen from death, to actualy kill him you need to remove his LS, this is not a lim, just the nature of the power... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamamura Posted February 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Yep didn't think about the Life Support being cheaper. Another reason for not allowing it. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I would allow the link but give the limitation a value of -0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keneton Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Two Answers On general I have no problems with linked as long as the power being linked to is not INHERENT. I may have a problem with PERSISTANT but not enough of one to make all such construct illegal. About this one specifically, its a little hokey. In addition it saves like 2 points so who cares. I would probably make the player buy off the limitation and expalin that 2 points is nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Re: Two Answers Originally posted by Keneton About this one specifically, its a little hokey. In addition it saves like 2 points so who cares. I would probably make the player buy off the limitation and expalin that 2 points is nothing. For two points, I'd probably tell the player he must buy off the limitation and can use his next 2 xp for this to avoid the need for a rewrite over 2 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugfromthearth Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I would tell the player "I will allow this, but you can expect to have your immortality surpressed or drained at least 1/4 of the time" then I would drain it about 1/2 the time. but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Well, linking a larger power to a smaller power which is also Constant results in a -0 Limition if memory serves as each clause generates a -1/4 reduction to the -1/2 Limitation, indicating that you can do it, but theres no cost benefit for doing so. Dont have my book w/ me, so thats a from-the-hip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I would also allow it ...but for no points (too small a limit to consider) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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