Yamo Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 This one seems so simple, but it kinda has me stumped for some reason: How would you build a harpoon in HERO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Celt Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Complete, Multipower, slot 1- HKA, slot 2- HKA usable at range, one charge. Simple, HKA, special effect allows to to be thrown based and being aerodynamic balanced item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I have a long standing rule that any OAF that provides either a HA or a RKA has a free naked power modifier Ranged: 1 recoverable charge, range based on Str, costs end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTaber Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Hi Guys: Let's make it tougher. Now assume the harpoon has a line attached. Would you buy the line part as some type of Stretching only if the harpoon does Body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaratustra Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 TK, only towards launcher, only if harpoon did BODY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Yes, that is the thing about a harpoon, they were nearly always connected by a rope. Also, note that in modern times, harpoons are not necessarily thrown. They are often shot from a gun. So, you'd want RKA, possibly with a -1 to OCV to simulate the fact that the rope would tend to pull it off a bit. For buying the rope, I'd say 15" Stretching, No Non-combat, No Stretching Damage, Only to Grab, Linked to KA, Only if KA Does Body, No Manipulation, No Lifting. Then for the barbs on the harpoon, buy Clinging +40 STR, Linked to KA, Holds at 10 STR per 1 BOD That The KA Does. The damage of the Harpoon itself, if jabbed or thrown, should probably be about the same as a Spear, 1.5d6k, -1 OCV, 10 STR Min. If shot from a hand-held gun, I'd give it a 2d6k, STR Min 10. If it is one of the big ones shot from an emplaced gun, I'd say about 2.5d6k - 3d6k. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyDrug Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Harpoon 1 1/2d6 HKA, Ranged (can be thrown), 13 STR Min from Fantasy HERO 4th edition all other advantages and limitations as per Real Weapon rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by SleepyDrug all other advantages and limitations as per Real Weapon rules And here we see just how worthless the "real weapon" limitation is. I've hit my target with my Real Harpoon; now what? Does it count as a grab at range? Stretching? How does the victim get off the harpoon, does he use STR or make a CON roll or what? If so, how much STR? Does he take more damage getting off the harpoon? Can I inflict more damage by yanking on the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 In my world, you get what you pay for. So if you've bought the ability to do continuing damage (possibly with gestures: must tug on line) then yes, you can do ongoing damage. If it's built as a grab and stretching, then instead you could use the STR involved to do "squeezing" damage each round unless the opponent uses his STR to break free like someone might from a normal grab... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamo Posted April 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Opps! I should have been more specific. Here's what I was trying to do: Barbed harpoon with a line attached. It harpoon does BODY, it sticks and target automatically takes damage again if it's pulled out. A few minutes and a successful Paramedics roll could remove it without further damage, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTaber Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Hi Yamo, Thanks for the clarification... Sounds like a HKA at Range with a linked HKA on a Trigger that only fires off if the harpoon is forcefully removed. Would that work? I think it would... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamo Posted April 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Sounds like a HKA at Range with a linked HKA on a Trigger that only fires off if the harpoon is forcefully removed. But couldn't the Linked attack miss? That would make no sense, since pulling out a barbed harpoon should cause damage automatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Rather than making it Linked, just have a +1d6HKA with the limitation that it only happens if the base attack does body and the harpoon is then yanked upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 What Old Man said, using a variant of Gradual Effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Originally posted by Yamo Opps! I should have been more specific. Here's what I was trying to do: Barbed harpoon with a line attached. It harpoon does BODY, it sticks and target automatically takes damage again if it's pulled out. A few minutes and a successful Paramedics roll could remove it without further damage, though. Yeah, that's what I figured you wanted; that's what I was trying to give you. So, drop on a 1d6k Penatrating, Continuing, again linked to the first RKA. That should do the trick, more or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Linked attacks use a single Attack roll, so if the first attack hits, so does the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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