Corven_Ren Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Hey Herophiles while going through some old boxes in the garage I found my old copy of Dragon magazine #100. From back when they published stuff from other game systems besides D&D. I found an old section containing, what was then new skills & powers for Champions. The SKills listed are Bouncing, Combat Luck & Extra Life. The Powers are domination, enragement, power healing, Sliperiness, temporal fugue, transmutation and vertigo. I know that combat luck, power healing and transmutation are forms of powers now. Basically luck, healing and transformation. Does any one else have this magazine and do you think any of the others have legitamte uses now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Never saw that, that's quite a find. I'm bumping to see if others have/had this. Re the powers, were they built on existing powers or were they entirely just unexplained (as to derivation, I mean, from the original rules) new powers? Not sure what domination is, sounds like mind control. Enragement, would be interesting to see, pretty well covered already but this might be a nice shortcut build, especially if it were written up on existing powers. Power healing? I assume that's entirely addressed by current rules unless it isn't what I think. Slipperiness I could see, again especially if it were written up on existing powers, but it would really have to be rewritten now I'm sure. Temporal fugue would be interesting to see but again seems wholly covered now. Transmutation should be wholly covered by current version of Transform. Vertigo would be really nice to see in terms of specifics and again more so if written off existing powers, but this sounds especially interesting since it could be a more elegant version for house rules for possible convenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... I've got it in the Dragon Archieves ... loved the Extra Life and Bouncing powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... I have that article. (I think I still have it. Had it before the move) Heck, I was one of the first people inflicted with those by Steve Maurer. We called them Maurerisms. IIRC, that was in the 3rd edition era. Some of the powers or variations came into the BBB or ways of building them. Of course there was an article in Adventurers Club discussing some of these as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Yeah. I read, I even used some of the powers, but they never really gelled. What is even more interesting - go find the issue that has the review of Champions. It is a very positive review, almost glowing, but does point out some flaws. Reviewer - Scott Bennie (IIRC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Oh, god. It's that article from Steve "I am a Champions Guru" Maurer. That's a name I have not heard since... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GestaltBennie Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Yeah. I read, I even used some of the powers, but they never really gelled. What is even more interesting - go find the issue that has the review of Champions. It is a very positive review, almost glowing, but does point out some flaws. Reviewer - Scott Bennie (IIRC). Yeah, it was interesting that the reviews of Champions in the three major mgs of the day - Dragon, Different Worlds, and Space Gamer -were written by me, Steve Perrin, and Aaron Allston, all of who went on to contribute to the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... I'm glad this got brought up because I have a little surprise for you.. I have a photocopy of that Dragon article on Champions from 1982. I could either scan it in or simply re-type the article here, assuming Scott Bennie ok'ed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... I'm glad this got brought up because I have a little surprise for you.. I have a photocopy of that Dragon article on Champions from 1982. I could either scan it in or simply re-type the article here' date=' assuming Scott Bennie ok'ed it.[/quote'] Technically, he probably doesn't have the right to okay it, but I doubt Dragon or anyone else would care and it might fall under fair use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Technically' date=' he probably doesn't have the right to okay it, but I doubt Dragon or anyone else would care and it might fall under fair use.[/quote'] I don't know much about copyright laws but since the article was by Scott Bennie and Champions was reviewed by him, wouldn't he have a say? Also, the article came out in 1982 and it's been 23 years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... I don't know much about copyright laws but since the article was by Scott Bennie and Champions was reviewed by him' date=' wouldn't he have a say?[/quote'] He might have "a" say, but it might also be Dragon has exclusive rights, it just depends, I have no clue how their arrangement is. EDIT - it's not unusual from what I have heard for both the mag and the author to have a say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Yeah' date=' it was interesting that the reviews of Champions in the three major mgs of the day - Dragon, Different Worlds, and Space Gamer -were written by me, Steve Perrin, and Aaron Allston, all of who went on to contribute to the system.[/quote'] Didn't know the other two (never had any old back issues from them). That's cool. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... I don't know much about copyright laws but since the article was by Scott Bennie and Champions was reviewed by him' date=' wouldn't he have a say? Also, the article came out in 1982 and it's been 23 years..[/quote'] The review was by Scott. The article was by Steve Maurer. ISTR it showed up in Dragon after an article appeared in Adventurer's Club responding to a letter Steve sent proposing the same powers, explaining why most of them were already covered by the system and weren't needed (though I seem to remember he's the one who proposed breaking Life Support down into lots of smaller component pieces). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 13 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... Didn't know the other two (never had any old back issues from them). As I recall, Allston's Strike Force campaign came out of the games he conducted for his Space Gamer review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... EDIT - it's not unusual from what I have heard for both the mag and the author to have a say The few articles I've published, in legal publications, I've been told I can reprint it as I see fit, but should give attribution to the published source. Apoparently, while my rights to the article can be signed away, it's tough to do, so the publications don't bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... The review was by Scott. The article was by Steve Maurer. ISTR it showed up in Dragon after an article appeared in Adventurer's Club responding to a letter Steve sent proposing the same powers' date=' explaining why most of them were already covered by the system and weren't needed (though I seem to remember he's the one who proposed breaking Life Support down into lots of smaller component pieces).[/quote'] Steve did have some interesting ideas. He also played around with breaking down Martial Arts instead of just basing it on a multiple of STR. He is responsible for several approaches I take to RPGs. Some good, some bad. I think he's responsible for me disliking RuneQuack and Mentalists. Last I know, he's a family man in the Portland area with two very polite children and pursuing writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Found something today.... The few articles I've published' date=' in legal publications, I've been told I can reprint it as I see fit, but should give attribution to the published source. Apoparently, while my rights to the article can be signed away, it's tough to do, so the publications don't bother.[/quote'] Thanks, I wasn't sure how this played out in writing for mags typically, I've had a couple little things in an independent newspaper but they were just record reviews and for a friend who ran it. I know with the recording industry artists basically have no rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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