Vigil Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 In honor of the recently released Ultimate Metamorph, what could be more appropriate than to determine the MU's top ten metamorphs. Here's my top ten, more or less in order: 1) The Impossible Man 2) Proteus 3) The Hulk 4) Rogue 5) Mr. Fantastic 6) Vision 7) Hank Pym 8) Absorbing Man 9) Mystique 10) Snowbird and the next ten just because 11) Wasp 12) Sasquatch 13) Sandman 14) Blob 15) Mimic 16) The High Evolutionary 17) Living Monolith 18) Super Adaptoid 19) Kitty Pryde (nowhere near as interesting as Vision) 20) Madrox Wow. Metamorphs are way cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsch Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs I would never have considered the hulk to make it into a metamorph list, still i get the point. I would chose only shapeshifters rather than people with one alternate form. Maybe include Venom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs I don't have the book, tho i wish i did. Obviously it has an extended definition of what a metamorph is. That being said, how is The Blob a metamorph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenandrews Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Yeah, that's an odd definition of "metamorph." I'd think it was just shapeshifters. I'm not sure I could come up with ten "pure" shapeshifters. Mystique Snowbird Mimic the Chameleon the Changeling Skrulls the Absorbing Man (kind of) If AM counts, I suppose I could include Sandman & Hydro-Man. maybe Warlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Yeah, that's an odd definition of "metamorph." I'd think it was just shapeshifters. I'm not sure I could come up with ten "pure" shapeshifters. Mystique Snowbird Mimic the Chameleon the Changeling Skrulls the Absorbing Man (kind of) If AM counts, I suppose I could include Sandman & Hydro-Man. maybe Warlock I definitely would count stretch-shifters such as Sandman and Hydro-Man in there. In fact, those are the type i think of first when I hear the word 'metamorph.' DC's Metal Men are the prime examples in my mind, along with Metamorpho, Sandman and Hydro-Man, and that guy in the Micronauts. I'm not sure what terminology the book uses (that's part of the reason I want it) but I've always associated those mentioned with the word 'shape-shift' while lycanthropes and animal forms characters I've referred to as 'shape-changers.' Semantics, I know. Take it as you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Mimic Morph (both from the Exiles) are the best Mystique Impossible Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakboy6117 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs no love for morph ( mind you i mean the exiles version) 1 mystique 2 morph( exiles version) 3 rogue 4 mr fantastic 5the chameleon 6 mr sinister 7 Rick jones 8 wolfsbane? 9 prodigy 10 dust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs no love for morph ( mind you i mean the exiles version) I draw your attention to the post directly above yours. Mimic Morph (both from the Exiles) are the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakboy6117 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs thast what i get for taking a break before posting lol wasnt there when i started honest im not sure if Prodigy( from The "new" New X-men) counts strictly speaking he doesn't morph but he has a telepahic ability to steal the skills of anyone nearby constaly changing his abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs For what it is worth my old "Concise Oxford Dictionary" defines"Metamorphosis" as "Change of form (by magic or by natural development)changed form change of character, conditions etc " which would mean that "Thor" with his ability to switch from Thor to Don Blake by banging his hammer on the ground, could be described as a "metamorph" ! The debate seems to be whether the term "Metamorph" in comics means someone who can change from one form to one other form (like "The Hulk") or do they need more than one "alternative" form (such as "The Chameleon") to qualify. Do characters who can change what they are made of but not their shape (eg "Metamorpho") count ? And what about characters such as "Plastic Man" who can change his shape but not what he is made of ? Interestingly "The Olympian" from "The Global Guardians" who seems to have multiple personalities, could fit under that definition as well ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs ...Do characters who can change what they are made of but not their shape (eg "Metamorpho") count ? ... Point of order: Metamorpho does change shape In fact, he can change his matter state. A better example of what you're speaking of here would be Crusher Creel, the Absorbing Man, who has been mentioned also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs The Ultimate Metamorph includes Shape Shifter, Size Changers, Density Alterationists, Stretchy fellows and lasses, Lycanthropes, duplicators, Mind Swappers, and such as Metamorphs. The Hulk is perfectly legitimate according to the guidlines set forth by the thread's creator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs I have to admit that I found the UMM supplement to be a real eye opener, hence this thread. As Enforcer84 states, the UMM doesn't restrict metamorphosis to phyicality but includes qualatative changes as well. So, mind swapping, power transferring, reality alteration are all viable candidates, hence guys like Proteus (who is several kinds of metamorph all at once!) being prominent in my list. It's a great supplement because it makes one rethink just what the definition of a metamorph is and who qualifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Hey I just noticed Mr. Sinister listed as a metamorph! Say what? Isn't he just a steel guy with power blasts? When did this happen? I'm completely out of the x-loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Hey I just noticed Mr. Sinister listed as a metamorph! Say what? Isn't he just a steel guy with power blasts? When did this happen? I'm completely out of the x-loop. He's always been a shapshifter. Disguises, gets holes blown in him. He's the real article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Well, what the hell? Why wasn't I informed? I must have missed the memo. So, Sinister's like a shapeshifter? Does he just mimic forms like mystic or can he do powers too? Hell, for that matter I guess Apocalypse is a ful blown old school metamorph, also but he's so incredibly lame it's painful to even contemplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmetahuman Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Well, what the hell? Why wasn't I informed? I must have missed the memo. So, Sinister's like a shapeshifter? Does he just mimic forms like mystic or can he do powers too? Hell, for that matter I guess Apocalypse is a ful blown old school metamorph, also but he's so incredibly lame it's painful to even contemplate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Sinister I was a little taken aback by some of the original poster's choices, too. If the Hulk counts, then Thor, Colossus, Sasquatch (edit: oops he's on there), the Human Torch, Iceman, etc. ad nauseum should count too. I know you're going by the book's definition, but it'd almost be easier to list folks who *aren't* metamorphs. Rogue... I guess I never saw her take on more than cosmetic physical changes, but I haven't read X-books in a long time. And I've got no problems with size-changers falling under the definition, but for some reason I balk at density-shifters like Vision and Shadowcat, and duplicators. And, yeah, why Blob? My list, no particular order: Mystique Mr. Fantastic Sandman Absorbing Man Snowbird Mimic Super-Adaptoid Pym (don't like the character, but love the range of his powers) Human Torch Super-Skrull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs I based my list on what I felt were interesting applications of the possibilities and classes outlined in the UMM. So, for example, Proteus is both an internal and external metamorph if I'm recalling the terminology correctly. Plus his control of reality is yet another externalized metamorph quality. As for why I include the Blob, well, he seems to be able to manipulate his mass and density so he fits. And yes, it does seem one can go hog wild with the whole metamorph thing (ie adding Thor, Colossus, etc) but then I think one has to differntiate between OIHID and a true Multiform or metamorph power suite. To me, and this is only my opinion, if the core personality changes (as in The hulk and classic Sasquatch) then he MAY be a metamorph (and this is beyond the physical change). If the change is only physical (like Thor or Colossus) and the core personality/disads remain unchanged, then I would think it's more likely OIHID. But that's me and certainly cases can be made either way. Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Negative Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs OK, I can understand the whole debate about what exactly constitutes a metamorph, but how can anyone not list the Impossible Man at #1? Annoying? Yes. Best metamorph? Also yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmetahuman Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs OK, I can understand the whole debate about what exactly constitutes a metamorph, but how can anyone not list the Impossible Man at #1? Annoying? Yes. Best metamorph? Also yes. Too silly for me, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs OK, I can understand the whole debate about what exactly constitutes a metamorph, but how can anyone not list the Impossible Man at #1? Annoying? Yes. Best metamorph? Also yes. Best metamorph? No. Remember Warlock beat him at an "Anything you can do I can do better" shapeshifter's duel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Impy's number one on my list at the start of the thread. There's no better metamorph anywhere and his showdown with Mxzptlk was a classic. As for Warlock, I'm sure Impy threw the contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trained Chicken Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs 1. Gorgeous George (no points for knowing who this is) 2. Random 3. Machine Man 4. Hank Pym 5. Mimic 6. Vision 7. The Fixer 8. Wolfsbane 9. Marrow 10. Sandman I am a surprised by my list as anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs Point of order: Metamorpho does change shape In fact, he can change his matter state. A better example of what you're speaking of here would be Crusher Creel, the Absorbing Man, who has been mentioned also. Sorry . I haven't really read much with "Metamorpho" for a fair while. I think that I was thinking of his very early appearences when he could change his chemical make up but didn't seem to change shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Re: Marvel's Ten Best Metamorphs ...As for why I include the Blob' date=' well, he seems to be able to manipulate his mass and density so he fits...[/quote'] I know that originally his powers had nothing to do with density alteration. However, I haven't read books in many years, nor have I seen the cartoon much so it's quite possible that this has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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