Snarf Posted June 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 If the GM wants to disciourage/balance flying a little, Clinging could be used as a guidline for a power that allows you to ignore terrain problems and such. The first level of flying could be 10 points and this would give you 0" of flight, in other words hovering or drifting, then you can start buying up the move rate for 2 points per inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Why all this fuss about flying? You can make a case for quite a few things being underpointed. It all works out in the wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarf Posted June 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 It's not that I thought it was necessarily underpriced, I assumed it was probably at the right price but I was misunderstanding something. I figured (correctly) that the fastest way to figure it out was post a question on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Originally posted by Snarf It's not that I thought it was necessarily underpriced, I assumed it was probably at the right price but I was misunderstanding something. I figured (correctly) that the fastest way to figure it out was post a question on the forum. Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyrm Ouroboros Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 People don't seem to be pointing out the additional penalties for the 'Flight, Only in Contact With A Surface (-¼)' -- turn modes are required, and again, you can't stand still for free. Me, I like the idea of all that; IIRC, the best 'wall-running' power also had the limitation of 'Must Move X" per Phase', where X was something like 15"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 What about Knockback? How would you calculate Knockback for Flight, only in contact with a surface, defined as a type of hyper-running? Is it done like you would real running, or would you do it as if they were actually flying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Angel Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Originally posted by Steve What about Knockback? How would you calculate Knockback for Flight, only in contact with a surface, defined as a type of hyper-running? Is it done like you would real running, or would you do it as if they were actually flying? Would be calculated as per flight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmerged Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Originally posted by Gary 1" of flight is far too cost effective at 2 pts. It's effectively the climbing skill with no chance of failure, and it makes you immune to falls while conscious. Climbing at base level already costs 3 pts, and to buy it to 17- would cost even more pts. Um, the fact that you need 2" of velocity to climb 1", maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Originally posted by TheEmerged Um, the fact that you need 2" of velocity to climb 1", maybe? With Climbing, you can only move 1" per phase anyway. You're at 1/2 or 0 OCV and DCV, and there is the chance of failure. If you fall, you take full damage. It also takes your entire action. This costs 3 pts. 1" of flight allows 1 meter/phase movement upwards. Floating in this way has no chance of failure, and full OCV and DCV. It also allows you to take a 1/2 phase action (The half move for 1" movement is still 1" as ridiculous as it may seem ) If you decide to do a noncombat move upwards, you move the exact 1"/phase upwards that you do with Climbing. You have the same combat penalties, but you have a 0% chance of failure, unlike Climbing. You're also not subject to penalties to movement rate or chance of success with a difficult surface. Heck, you don't even need a surface at all to float upwards. This ability costs 2 pts. A bonus perk to having 1" flight is immunity to falls since you can always hover. Basically, you're paying fewer points to have a much better ability with 1" flight as opposed to climbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnOSpencer Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Flying can be drained, transfered or supressed. Climbing can't be. You never know when some gadgeteer will come up with the AE Supress vs flight. In my campaign almost all my pc's flew and Foxbat made the Foxbat NoFlyZone. That annoyed the PCs to no end as they were all stuck with normal movement. John Spencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 I'm not sure what the big stink is about flight. If you're in a Champs game, find some excuse to buy some for your character. Or don't. Who cares. If you're not in a Champs campaign, who has unlimited, easy flight that other's can't get? As for the relative point costs, big flippin deal. ("You" in general, not anyone specific.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Angel Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Thank-you for showing how much you don't care about this topic by joining the discussion. ("You" in general, not anyone specific.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 Come on, the question posed by the thread was answered within the first few replies. And by the way, nice work there, displaying your absolute ignorance of the concept of the non-specific 2nd-peron pronoun by parroting my attempt to make sure I was clear about not addressing anyone in general, and in your pathetic attempt to be humorously sarcastic no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Angel Posted June 26, 2003 Report Share Posted June 26, 2003 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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