needo Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 I currently own... Fred UNTIL Superpowers Database Champions I'm contemplating purchasing Champions Universe, Millenium City, or Killer/Crooks. I can only afford one or two. Which ones do you recommend for the new GM? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comfortmd Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 conquerors killers and crooks primarily and champions universe it helps round out the champions universe giving you a kind of idea what the players are up against. It also takes some of the burden off of you as game master in not having to write up the bad guys. It's my advice, if that helps you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 I think it really depends on what you will be looking for. If you are wanting to run a game I would probably say buy Conquerors, Killers & Crooks and Millennium City. Those two books, along with Champions, will allow you to get a game up and running quickly. And then later on pick up Champions Universe to fill in the gaps for Millennium City. If you are just wanting something to read then I would say buy Champions Universe and Millennium City. You do not really need the 100 villains in CKC if you are not planning on playing (though there is a lot of good information in the villain's write-ups). I have liked all the Champions material put out so far and would recommend those books to anyone who likes four-color comic book material. There are plenty of little Marvel and DC "homages" within CU and MC to make any long-time comic fan smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 CKC would be my first choice. You can always use more villains, and it's a good read. I prefer Champions Universe to Millenium City, but both are worth buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graviton Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 I missed out on USPD at GenCon, so that's on the list, as well as Battlegrounds. I currently own FREd, Champions, TUMA, The Bestiary, CKC, and Star Hero. It depends on your campaign. We have our own universe, so Champions Universe and Millenium City aren't high on my list at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 As Graviton said, it depends on what you're planning to run. Since you said "new GM," I suspect you want to get set up to run a campaign from scratch. In that case, I'd suggest CKC and Millennium City. You can get Champions Universe later for history and world background if the heroes are curious sorts or travel outside the campaign city a lot. If I can make another suggestion, you might also consider a year's subscription to Digital Hero (I believe it's ten issues for $30). Past issues had a rather unusual VIPER nest, a series of articles on Meriquai Falls (another game city), a villain group, three Champions adventures (one requires CKC, the others have characters included), plus numerous solo characters (villains and heroes), rules variations, and advice for both players and GMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comfortmd Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 heck, i would get digital hero but i don't have a credit card... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by comfortmd heck, i would get digital hero but i don't have a credit card... Yeah. It's a pain, isn't it? Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by comfortmd heck, i would get digital hero but i don't have a credit card... You can send DOJ a check or money order. You do not just have to buy things from them with a credit card. Sure it will take an extra week, but that is better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmenace Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Alternatively, there are three new Champs books coming out that you might want to save for. Champions Battlegrounds is an extended adventure that can be played sequentially or as unrelated short adventures each with an accompanying and reusable hexmap of the major site. How useful is that to you, couldn't say but if you don't like writing adventures or want to have some on hand just in case or you like the idea of hand hex maps of certain places like a bank or a mad scientist's lab, this might be useful. It is supposed to be out this or next week so maybe you could page through it at the place you buy your Champs books. Reality Storm , a crossover mini campaign between Champions and Silver Age Sentinels (SAS). This product will have conversion tables for Champs to SAS which will open up a whole new set of adventures, characters and settings for your super hero campaign. It should also have many adapted characters that include major heroes, villains, agents etc. The scenario itself seems likely to be a bit high for people just starting out but in the long run it could be a good buy. If you can take a look... Viper Sourcebook , it's quite a ways off but this sounds like it is gonna be the next must have book owing to the fact that Viper is as common in Champs as Orks are in D&D. It's all up to you of course. If You need to get two I'd reccomend Conquerors as the most likely to be useful. As to which of the other two, if you want your campaign to be specifically in the official Champions universe then pick up Champs Universe. It will open up a lot of areas to explore. I'm personally very fond of Millenium city so If you want a central Metropolis like city to base your campaign on and you don't think the PCs will leave it too often, then get Millenium City.Reality Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Crooks, Killers and Conquerors is a necessity. The others will depend on what you want to do. I have both but then I am a completionist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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