About PRIMUS

[azato]

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Personally I find the idea of UNTIL being stationed in the United States as unacceptable. PRIMUS takes the place of UNTIL in the US. I have not decided the role of UNTIL in the world but it would be run much like how the UN utilizes the military today. Thus PRIMUS is the primary (heh) means of meeting the superhuman threat in the US.

 

The SA program did happen but it was with little success and is very costly to maintain. I am thinking about using super heroes as well as some squads of low level mutants (perhaps 25 real point cost) with commando training as super super agents. The government is rather secretive about the use of super heroes but it is public knowledge that it does happen...Especially with Ronald Reagan giving the go ahead to rescue the Iranian histages. This was the first known gov' use of supers to carry out a mission for the US, although it has never been admitted to by the government.

 

PRIMUS utilizes supers, but is in a role to figure out how to neutralize and contain the mutant threat. Currently this means super powered criminals. Their role could change with the change of public opinion regarding mutants (all heroes in my campaign are mutants). We are in 1983, but in 1991 Detroit will be bombed and that can create a very different atmosphere for the game.

[JmOz]

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So' date=' JmOz, any help for you here? Want to share more of your ideas? fanboy>[/quote']

 

A lot of ideas

 

A few that details are still coming

 

I plan on having about 500 Avengers, ranging from (the vast majority) advanced agent level "avengers", they are replacing the assualt agents

 

With a small amount (probably 10% or so of the Avengers Corps) being Bronze avengers, equivelent to low level super's to standard super's, with silver being equivelent to standard super's to high power(probably about 15 total Silver Avengers), and one golden avenger

 

Some bronze (3-5) and one silver will be "Dark Avengers" a black ops team

 

There will be about 1500 Iron Guard, including 1 silver avenger (called the Iron Avenger). most will be normals, in armor ranging from PA to full fledge Mecha

 

Another 2000 agents will be divided into different sub groups including support and investigation

 

The Avenger and Iron Corp will have some rivalry (Similar to the real world military)

 

SAT will be a agency that they will be on good terms with, SAT is focused on Anti Extrodinary Terrorists (Demon, VIPER, etc...) while PRIMUS is about stoping Supers

 

more details coming

[TheQuestionMan]

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Champions Online - Super Group - PRIMUS

 

 

Might be fun?

 

 

QM

[bubba smith]

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A lot of ideas

 

A few that details are still coming

 

I plan on having about 500 Avengers, ranging from (the vast majority) advanced agent level "avengers", they are replacing the assualt agents

 

With a small amount (probably 10% or so of the Avengers Corps) being Bronze avengers, equivelent to low level super's to standard super's, with silver being equivelent to standard super's to high power(probably about 15 total Silver Avengers), and one golden avenger

 

Some bronze (3-5) and one silver will be "Dark Avengers" a black ops team

 

There will be about 1500 Iron Guard, including 1 silver avenger (called the Iron Avenger). most will be normals, in armor ranging from PA to full fledge Mecha

 

Another 2000 agents will be divided into different sub groups including support and investigation

 

The Avenger and Iron Corp will have some rivalry (Similar to the real world military)

 

SAT will be a agency that they will be on good terms with, SAT is focused on Anti Extrodinary Terrorists (Demon, VIPER, etc...) while PRIMUS is about stoping Supers

 

more details coming

SAT you may want to usethe full name of any homebrewed organizations in parinthes so readers unfamiliar with the campaign wil understant what you're reffering to

[JmOz]

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SAT you may want to usethe full name of any homebrewed organizations in parinthes so readers unfamiliar with the campaign wil understant what you're reffering to

 

Actualy SAT is an old school org similar in many ways to PRIMUS, it stood for Special American Tactics

[bubba smith]

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thanks

[azato]

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DEATHSTROKE!

 

Actualy SAT is an old school org similar in many ways to PRIMUS' date=' it stood for Special American Tactics[/quote']

[Peregrine]

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A lot of ideas

 

A few that details are still coming

 

I plan on having about 500 Avengers, ranging from (the vast majority) advanced agent level "avengers", they are replacing the assualt agents

 

With a small amount (probably 10% or so of the Avengers Corps) being Bronze avengers, equivelent to low level super's to standard super's, with silver being equivelent to standard super's to high power(probably about 15 total Silver Avengers), and one golden avenger

 

Some bronze (3-5) and one silver will be "Dark Avengers" a black ops team

 

There will be about 1500 Iron Guard, including 1 silver avenger (called the Iron Avenger). most will be normals, in armor ranging from PA to full fledge Mecha

 

Another 2000 agents will be divided into different sub groups including support and investigation

 

The Avenger and Iron Corp will have some rivalry (Similar to the real world military)

 

SAT will be a agency that they will be on good terms with, SAT is focused on Anti Extrodinary Terrorists (Demon, VIPER, etc...) while PRIMUS is about stoping Supers

 

more details coming

 

So, speculating off of previous:

 

"Advanced agents" - 200 points

Bronze Avengers - 250-350 points

Silver Avengers - 350-450 points

Golden Avenger - 450+ points

 

And a comment - unless you choose to significantly alter VIPER and DEMON from their published states, both organizations utilize supers. This, of course, sets up some fun PRIMUS-SAT team-ups, as I would assume that the two organizations have a standard coordination plan in place for such.

[Peregrine]

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Actualy SAT is an old school org similar in many ways to PRIMUS' date=' it stood for Special American Tactics[/quote']

 

More specifically, SAT was an "interim" organization in the 4e CU, set up to "fill the gap" while PRIMUS was coming on line. SAT used (ex-)military personnel and conventional weapons. In the 4e CU, SAT continued on for a while after PRIMUS was up and running, largely due to the explicit support of the Golden Avenger. Later, SAT went private as World Security Services. None of this has apparently made it into the 5e CU.

[azato]

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They are more "old school" than that mister. They are discussed and in the module DEATHSTROKE which was printed in 1983 (not sure if this was 2nd edition.) But it is quite apparent from your description that they are WAY more fleshed out in the 4e CU.

 

More specifically' date=' SAT was an "interim" organization in the 4e CU, set up to "fill the gap" while PRIMUS was coming on line. SAT used (ex-)military personnel and conventional weapons. In the 4e CU, SAT continued on for a while after PRIMUS was up and running, largely due to the explicit support of the Golden Avenger. Later, SAT went private as World Security Services. None of this has apparently made it into the 5e CU.[/quote']

[bubba smith]

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More specifically' date=' SAT was an "interim" organization in the 4e CU, set up to "fill the gap" while PRIMUS was coming on line. SAT used (ex-)military personnel and conventional weapons. In the 4e CU, SAT continued on for a while after PRIMUS was up and running, largely due to the explicit support of the Golden Avenger. Later, SAT went private as World Security Services. None of this has apparently made it into the 5e CU.[/quote']

so SAT was the CU's version of GI JOE ?

[JmOz]

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Basicaly, and that is exactly what I am doing with them, to the point of in my world SAT is DoD and uses active duty military personel. PRIMUS is officialy DoJ

[Peregrine]

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They are more "old school" than that mister. They are discussed and in the module DEATHSTROKE which was printed in 1983 (not sure if this was 2nd edition.) But it is quite apparent from your description that they are WAY more fleshed out in the 4e CU.

 

I never read that module, so I missed out.

[Peregrine]

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Basicaly' date=' and that is exactly what I am doing with them, to the point of in my world SAT is DoD and uses active duty military personel. PRIMUS is officialy DoJ[/quote']

 

:jawdrop:That's... elegant in so many ways... Have you made any specific decisions about SAT other than this?

[JmOz]

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Well, let me see (Alot of this is based on GI Joe in truth)

 

SAT is multileveled, pulling from all military branches, including Coast Guard, for that matter a couple agents might even be civilian opertives (Special skills)

 

At the top level of agents is the codename(s), this is the cream of the crop and should be able to single handidly deal with low level super's (The best of the best will be agents built on 250-350 points or more...). However realise that there will be only a handful at this level, less than a hundred for sure, probably closer to 40-50 at the 250 level with another 10 or so above that. They can be thought of as the cod

 

There will also be the the Agents, the agents are the nameless masses, but still equivelent to any normal VIPER type agent. Or better even, to be considered for the roll you need Delta Force level training.

 

Below them is the Suport team, maintains the small scale vehicles and pilots/maintains the large vehicles.

 

All are part of SAT, of course.

 

Equipment wise they use reliable but cutting edge tech, most remarkably is the MPR (multi-purpose Riffle) and MPP (Multi-purpose Pistol)that is basicaly a MP of attacks (RKA AF, Large RKA, EB Ex, Flashbangs, tear Gas)

[Peregrine]

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Well, let me see (Alot of this is based on GI Joe in truth)

 

SAT is multileveled, pulling from all military branches, including Coast Guard, for that matter a couple agents might even be civilian opertives (Special skills)

 

At the top level of agents is the codename(s), this is the cream of the crop and should be able to single handidly deal with low level super's (The best of the best will be agents built on 250-350 points or more...). However realise that there will be only a handful at this level, less than a hundred for sure, probably closer to 40-50 at the 250 level with another 10 or so above that. They can be thought of as the cod

 

There will also be the the Agents, the agents are the nameless masses, but still equivelent to any normal VIPER type agent. Or better even, to be considered for the roll you need Delta Force level training.

 

Below them is the Suport team, maintains the small scale vehicles and pilots/maintains the large vehicles.

 

All are part of SAT, of course.

 

Equipment wise they use reliable but cutting edge tech, most remarkably is the MPR (multi-purpose Riffle) and MPP (Multi-purpose Pistol)that is basicaly a MP of attacks (RKA AF, Large RKA, EB Ex, Flashbangs, tear Gas)

 

Good ideas about agent capabilities, but be aware that Delta proper has probably less than 200 operatives at any time, due in part to a lack of qualified and interested personnel.

 

As for higher-powered personnel (your "Codename" agents), have you considered using any of the CU's super-soldier treatments on them? (See CU, p. 40.) Perseus is still actively used and presumably both the cost and compatibility issues are resolved, or at least surmountable (see CU, p. 116, sidebar, first plot seed for the All-American). Yeoman had one canonical use, within the DOD at that, with six concurrent recipients. OTOH, Cyberline appears for all intents and purposes to be a PRIMUS monopoly, Onslaught doesn't produce consistent enough results, and Achilles... well, nobody knows anything about Achilles these days, and its still classified beyond all reach.

[JmOz]

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Good ideas about agent capabilities, but be aware that Delta proper has probably less than 200 operatives at any time, due in part to a lack of qualified and interested personnel.

 

As for higher-powered personnel (your "Codename" agents), have you considered using any of the CU's super-soldier treatments on them? (See CU, p. 40.) Perseus is still actively used and presumably both the cost and compatibility issues are resolved, or at least surmountable (see CU, p. 116, sidebar, first plot seed for the All-American). Yeoman had one canonical use, within the DOD at that, with six concurrent recipients. OTOH, Cyberline appears for all intents and purposes to be a PRIMUS monopoly, Onslaught doesn't produce consistent enough results, and Achilles... well, nobody knows anything about Achilles these days, and its still classified beyond all reach.

 

considered and basicaly discarded, while an individual agent MIGHT that is more a background detail for the character than something SAT would endorse, I am however thinking of a treatment for them called lazarus that would boost their healing abilities (Plus REC, some LS, probably not regen)

 

SAT is not opposed to superhuman operatives on principles, but they are also not really open armed about them as well. I do see them having a couple,

 

A fairly weak clairvoyant who works in the records/orderly room is almost a guarantee

[TheQuestionMan]

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Trained Paranormal Operatives (from DC:HoV 4e) - Heroes and Vigilantes without Inherent Superpowers. Highly Skilled Normals. Classic Martial Artists, Weapons Specialists, and Gadgets & Gear.

 

 

Transformers / G.I.Joe by Dreamwave Comics - A great crossover between SPBs and TPOs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Transformers_comic_books#Transformers.2FG.I._Joe

 

 

QM

[Peregrine]

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considered and basicaly discarded, while an individual agent MIGHT that is more a background detail for the character than something SAT would endorse, I am however thinking of a treatment for them called lazarus that would boost their healing abilities (Plus REC, some LS, probably not regen)

 

SAT is not opposed to superhuman operatives on principles, but they are also not really open armed about them as well. I do see them having a couple,

 

A fairly weak clairvoyant who works in the records/orderly room is almost a guarantee

 

Well, Perseus is a super-soldier treatment, in that it doesn't grant characteristics beyond the Legendary level as the CU defines it. The baseline for a Perseus recipient is all Primaries at 20 with some possibly higher, and all Figureds at peak of Competent (again, as the CU defines that category). Quite honestly, I could see SAT using Perseus on the Codenamed agents to give them a little "boost" while not making them truly superhuman.

[Peregrine]

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Trained Paranormal Operatives (from DC:HoV 4e) - Heroes and Vigilantes without Inherent Superpowers. Highly Skilled Normals. Classic Martial Artists, Weapons Specialists, and Gadgets & Gear.

 

 

Transformers / G.I.Joe by Dreamwave Comics - A great crossover between SPBs and TPOs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Transformers_comic_books#Transformers.2FG.I._Joe

 

 

QM

 

Dark Champions: The Animated Series - Street level superheroics and superagents. Hudson City Powers simply screams "super-soldiers" to me, while Hudson City Knights works well for "unenhanced" superagents. Transpose to the main CU and go..

[bubba smith]

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Dark Champions: The Animated Series - Street level superheroics and superagents. Hudson City Powers simply screams "super-soldiers" to me' date=' while Hudson City Knights works well for "unenhanced" superagents. Transpose to the main CU and go..[/quote']

second the motion

[Peregrine]

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Oh, one more thing about SAT. If they are DOD, then they are forbidden by law from performing law enforcement activities in the U.S. - including counter-terrorism. As I see it, there are a few ways of handling this:

 

1. Ignore it. It's a handwave at best, but this means you don't have to address it at all.

 

2. SAT is not DOD, but is attached to some other department. Any Cabinet-level department can have an enforcement arm that operates within the scope of that department's authority and responsibility; this is not limited to the DOJ. DOSPA, in the CU, would be a strong possibility.

 

3. SAT has a special exemption. This can be the fallback to 1. above if anybody asks, but you'll have to handwave the implications of such an exception, unless you want to delve into those implications as a story element.

 

4. SAT has to work with and leave specific actions to local law enforcement. That could curb some of the action that you might otherwise want for SAT operations, though.

 

I'd recommend 2. above. SAT can still draw personnel from the military, and hairs can be split by having all SAT agents be in the active reserve component of their previous branch, with their SAT service counted as their one-weekend-a-month, two-weeks-a-year reserve obligation. You could also have SAT attach to the DOD in time of war the way the Coast Guard used to. (PRIMUS did this in its earlier incarnations, but that apparently did not make it into the 5E CU.

[JmOz]

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I think i will go with 3, but with strings attached (PRIMUS rep?)

[Peregrine]

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I think i will go with 3' date=' but with strings attached (PRIMUS rep?)[/quote']

 

Meaning that SAT has to have a law enforcement rep (PRIMUS or other) on each domestic operation? What role would that rep have - mission commander, adviser on legal issues, what?

[Ninja-Bear]

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An idead I had for Primus is the P.U.M.A. (Primus Ultimate Martial Artist). Of course he is a Silver Avenger. Last night I thought about his role in the organization. He is charged with investigation, and neutralization of threats from the Martial World.