Ravenheart87 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Hello! Is there a table of contents available for Fantasy Hero Complete somewhere? I'd like to know what did they manage to compress into 274 pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I am on my phone right now so I cannot validate it. But I think DriveThruRPG.com let's you preview the first couple pages including the ToC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I am on my phone right now so I cannot validate it. But I think DriveThruRPG.com let's you preview the first couple pages including the ToC. I just see the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenheart87 Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Yep, there's no preview on DriveThru. That's why I asked. Probably because it's not a pdf you download, but a zip file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Bummer when I get home I will go ahead and try and scan just the table of contents. And then I'll make sure it's okay before sharing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I tried to ask permission from Jason by posting on the hero Games Facebook page, but it was completely dead and I received no response. I do not want to post something that will violate their rights. But it seams to me that something like this would be an ideal thing for them to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenheart87 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Fingers crossed they will let you post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenheart87 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 In the meantime, some discussion about the contents won't hurt - like what racional templates, professional templates, optional rules, spells, monsters were included. Unfortunately the game lacks informative reviews, or it's my google-fu that needs some more development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 The main chunk of the book is the Hero System, slimmed down. If you have experience with Hero 4th, it's basically like the Hero System Rulebook from that edition (most of the extra stuff--edge rulings, examples and so on are not included from 6e1). Next is a brief intro to Fantasy. Then there's a section with pre-built character templates, starting with about a dozen racial templates, followed by a bunch of "Ancestral and Environmental" templates (Lycanthropes, Vampires, Water-dwellers, Celestial/Infernal, and so on), and then a half-dozen cultural templates, and then ten professional templates (Priest, Knight, Thief, and so on). All of these templates are extremely flexible, and can be easily adapted to fit individual games. Next is a small section on magic systems, followed by a slightly longer section on world-building. Then comes what I consider the most important part: the numerous examples. There are sample characters, monsters, martial arts styles, spells and magic items, bases and so on. The remainder of the book is then devoted to reference tables and a character sheet. But because this comes as a "bits and mortar" product, there's also an electronic copy and a bunch of extra PDF files included with the purchase of the physical book. There are 18 more sample characters, 24 more monsters, a basic setting (which could easily be expanded), some excellent maps, and a short adventure. It's easily worth the $10 price of the electronic package, and the $30 for physical book and PDFs is also quite a bargain for what you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Well said. I did get a response on the Facebook page and he said they would think about it. But no real commitment to action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenheart87 Posted April 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 @Ternaugh: That was pretty informative, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Fantasy Hero Complete on Drive Thru RPG has gotten terrible reviews, and I know its a better product than they are saying. People who have got it through the site, please go there and give it a better reviews so its not a 1 1/2 star product on the page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Better reviews would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I'm saving up for a hard copy, maybe I'll get it through Drive-Thru RPG just to put a review up :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Sounds like Jason wasn't able to get them to put up a rebuttal. (He was going to ask.) Sadly, I think the most enthusiastic of us supported the Kickstarter, so we can't post reviews since we didn't buy it on their site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguy Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 It is unfortunate that we can't post rebuttals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Best I could do was respond to some of the negative discussion posts, since you also can't comment on reviews, or rate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 If someone here wants to write a review I will post it. I do not write reviews myself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Reviews are an author's best friend. Its like a Christmas present to get a positive review, you really should reconsider. Especially since they strongly influence purchase of books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndreare Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 It's not a moral stance. I normally don't post reviews because I don't find it I'm articulate enough to express what I enjoy in a book or I'm too lazy. Sometimes it's a little bit of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Yeah I understand, but you'll likely write the kind of review that would appeal to you as a reader. And that's valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marrethiel Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I bought this book and enjoyed reading it a lot. The layout was good and easy to read and the explanations for the rules were great. Can you hear the "but" coming? :/ But, if you are a long time Hero fan it wasn't really anything new, just repackaged material. And... if you've never played Hero and were taking in by the "complete" word that I wonder if it has nearly enough content. For example, the equipment was a paragraph or two, you are supposed to work it all out yourself. I've GM'd a lot over the years and I can assure you I've never sat down and worked out a complete set of arms and armour before starting a game. I can't recall any system where they don't have lots of stuff like this. There isn't even a list of gear with encumbrances and costs. Previous editions had min stats and damages and ranges and more... should a GM buying a "complete" book have to work these out? I felt that I should just go back and use my Fantasy Hero campaign book from 1990 as it is more complete. Now I know hero well enough and can work these things out, but I did feel let down when I read this section, enough that I put the book down for quite a while. I think the font should have been changed to something like Times New Roman and everything compressed a little so that more game ready content could have been put in. Hmmm, looking back at what I've written it is a little more negative than I intended. Let me balance that by saying if you don't already have a 6th edition book, buy this product... it really is great and I can't wait to gently persuade (bully) my group into playing. Maybe they can put out a supplement, or they already have or are intending to. Now I need to ready the super's complete book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 Fantasy Hero was never intended to be a campaign book, which I thought was a tragedy. It was an opportunity to take the generic nature of the rules and show how to build a cohesive campaign setting* around them. I like the book because it is an easy, abridged version of the Hero rules with a smattering of Fantasy Hero genre advice. I just feel like it missed the mark in so many ways. Ironically, I pledged enough to get my physical copy and I haven't even removed it from the shipping box yet. One of the reasons I'm a little disappointed in Narosia is because it was explicitly designed to be a campaign setting that was expressed via the Hero rules. The poor folks over at Legendsmiths have had one setback after another. Now it is years past due and we are still waiting. Apparently there was some progress with layout recently so I'm hoping they can get past that and get the product out. I'm still rooting for them. It's hard some days, but I am still trying to be positive. * Yes, I downloaded the bonus materials. Wasn't thrilled with the product. I was grateful that time and effort was put into something but I do not think I will ever use it. To be fair, I will go back over it and look again. No sense in discarding any resource prematurely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewomble Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I wonder why there is no preview at DrivethruRPG. Virtually all other companies manage this accomplishment. Does Hero Games not want to sell their product? My guess as someone in online sales is that this alone could increase sales by 10% to 30% or more. Similarly, the product descriptions at the Hero Store don't offer previews or even PAGE COUNTS. You don't know if you're buying a 100 or 300 page book. Seriously - I ask the question, does Hero Games not want to sell their products? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I will note that the contents of FHC were limited by a number of factors. The need to include the basic Hero System rules, total page count, the desire to cover certain subjects, and so on. A book that as truly "complete" would have been twice as large. At least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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