TheEmerged Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? RE: Tom & Jerry. Tom was the cat, Jerry was the mouse (and Spike was the dog). Tom *usually* ended the cartoon on the short end of the stick -- but not always. There were actually a few eps they ended up 'equal', either equally bad (the imfamous "Let's be buddies" ep) or equally good (Spike's first ep). RE: Seeker. To me it was tradition to make him the victim of any rules example I made on the boards. It's kind of like the "hating mimes" thing, it's part of the fun. I even surnamed my dog (Buster Seeker) after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandi Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? I gotta say, though, I don't remember Seeker getting some of the more *humiliating* thrashings that Nighthawk gets in USPDB. Beaten up by children? Attacked by diner settings? Having a chunk of building fall on him thanks to Deus ex Machina Man or whatever that luck-powered villain was called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamashii2000 Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? That's because Nighthawk is Seeker's Secret ID. You see Seeker was sick of getting the crap beat out of him. So, he created a new persona like that Bat guy. Tough, menacing, dark... He never noticed that Bat Guy only fought normal guys, never those super shooting rays out of their hands folks. So, he gets to have his ass handed to him in his new persona now. Poor guy, never gets a break. Perhaps he should retire, or move to Hudson city where a guy with his talents could go far. At least as long as he stays away from the Harbinger of Justice. This is my theory and I am sticking too it. Tasha Heh, my thoughts exactly. Seeker and NightHawk are one and the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmerged Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? I gotta say' date=' though, I don't remember Seeker getting some of the more *humiliating* thrashings that Nighthawk gets in USPDB. Beaten up by children? ...[/quote'] Anybody else notice the odd pattern the children took? Methinks somebody snuck a Charles Schultz homage into USPDB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? I thought the cat was Tom' date=' and the mouse was Jerry.[/quote'] Doh! Yeh. I originally typed "Why does Jerry always beat up Tom the Cat", then I edited the sentance wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storn Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? This is an amusing thread. I have Nhawk put into a wall because it was a small element and showed Ogre's power on TUB. But I wasn't asked to do it. I WAS asked to have the gargoyle crushing Nhawk to show "Luck" powers for that particular section of the Ultimate Powers. Also, with Eric Lofgren's cutlery vs. Nhawk.... Nhawk is dodging all that crap. That is pretty spectacular and I wouldn't call that Nhawk getting a whoopin'. But I find it funny that no one gave 2 shakes when I drew Ogre using Defender as a soccer ball in Millennium city... .. And for the record, I think I can make Nhawk look cool. Is it a Ninja Science Team Gatchatman homage? You betchya. I don't mind drawing him. He is actually pretty easy to draw. I find him a HECK lot more interesting to draw than Seeker with those ridiculous pants and bare chest and bandolier... hated drawing Seeker. And if I get the chance, I will try to show Nhawk kicking ass, instead of ass getting kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? And if I get the chance' date=' I will try to show Nhawk kicking ass, instead of ass getting kicked.[/quote'] Spoilsport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? This is an amusing thread. I have Nhawk put into a wall because it was a small element and showed Ogre's power on TUB. But I wasn't asked to do it. I WAS asked to have the gargoyle crushing Nhawk to show "Luck" powers for that particular section of the Ultimate Powers. Also, with Eric Lofgren's cutlery vs. Nhawk.... Nhawk is dodging all that crap. That is pretty spectacular and I wouldn't call that Nhawk getting a whoopin'. But I find it funny that no one gave 2 shakes when I drew Ogre using Defender as a soccer ball in Millennium city... .. And for the record, I think I can make Nhawk look cool. Is it a Ninja Science Team Gatchatman homage? You betchya. I don't mind drawing him. He is actually pretty easy to draw. I find him a HECK lot more interesting to draw than Seeker with those ridiculous pants and bare chest and bandolier... hated drawing Seeker. And if I get the chance, I will try to show Nhawk kicking ass, instead of ass getting kicked. You're a great artist but it's going to be hard to convince us that Nighthawk could beat up the "staples" in CKC. It's not the head gear being cool or not for me. It's the inappropriateness of the head gear for a "street level" hero. I fully expect him to knock himself off his feet chasing the bad guys inside tenements as his headgear catches the top of the doorway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? To be fair, none of the other Champions could do much against the "staples" of the CKC, either, unless you mean specifically matched fights against certain Ultimates. Nighthawk wouldn't really do any worse against Doctor Destroyer, or even Dark Seraph, than any other Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? Which is why they're a team -it makes it possible for them to beat up SOME of the bad guys (& gals). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just A Guy Name Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? To be fair' date=' none of the other Champions could do much against the "staples" of the CKC, either, unless you mean specifically matched fights against certain Ultimates. Nighthawk wouldn't really do any worse against Doctor Destroyer, or even Dark Seraph, than any other Champion.[/quote']With Nighthawk, there's no need to be 'fair'. It's like he's asking for it. He might as well just be drawn with a "KICK ME" sign taped to his back;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandi Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? Also, with Eric Lofgren's cutlery vs. Nhawk.... Nhawk is dodging all that crap. That is pretty spectacular and I wouldn't call that Nhawk getting a whoopin'. I think it's the flavor text on that one that shows Nighthawk up. The cutlery guy escaped after blinding 'Hawk with a flurry of napkins. For a guy like him that's gotta hurt more than an actual pounding. (I mean, considering he went all Dark and Brooding because, among other things, he got a facial scar that reduced him from astonishingly handsome to merely okay-looking, I suspect Nighthawk doesn't take setbacks well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metaphysician Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? Thats the main reason I don't like his background. The level of anger is vastly disproportional to the injury inflicted. That much vanity is a *villain* origin, damnit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? The cover of Gadgets & Gear has Nighthawk - unharmed. Hm. He's probably just getting ready for a night of crimefighting and getting his butt kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? Heh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraxxx Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? ....And for the record' date=' I think I can make Nhawk look cool....[/quote'] ..which is really more of a testament to your skill as an artist than his strength as a character--hell, you've even managed to make DEFENDER look cool.... **loraxxx makes beautiful, one-point testicle dismount** why does nighthawk get the crap beat out of him so much?--mostly, because HE SUCKS!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? You're a great artist but it's going to be hard to convince us that Nighthawk could beat up the "staples" in CKC. It's not the head gear being cool or not for me. It's the inappropriateness of the head gear for a "street level" hero. I fully expect him to knock himself off his feet chasing the bad guys inside tenements as his headgear catches the top of the doorway. The guy is a Champion. NightHawk is not, I repeat NOT, a Street Level superhero. Yes, he IS supose to repersent the 'street level Batman guy', but let's face it, his design WAS based on Gatchman (basicly take G2 Joe The Condor and Batman, and put him into a cosmic blender, just like The Powerpuff Girls are Sailor Moon and Supergirl placed through the same blender). And Gatchman is not a street level hero team. Thay destroyed mecha for gash sakes! Which reminds me...I am going to have to do my version of Galactor one of theas days (the infamous Talon group, 'lead' by Malakore and Xanosynn, with there gane of genetly created goons, giant mecha, and brainwashed scientist). Steriaca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? That's because Nighthawk is Seeker's Secret ID. You see Seeker was sick of getting the crap beat out of him. So' date=' he created a new persona like that Bat guy. Tough, menacing, dark... He never noticed that Bat Guy only fought normal guys, never those super shooting rays out of their hands folks. So, he gets to have his ass handed to him in his new persona now. Poor guy, never gets a break. [/quote'] Oh no Tasha, you let the cat out of the bag! Now Seeker/Nighthawk will be forced to buy off his Secret ID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrooveD70 Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? ..which is really more of a testament to your skill as an artist than his strength as a character--hell, you've even managed to make DEFENDER look cool.... **loraxxx makes beautiful, one-point testicle dismount** why does nighthawk get the crap beat out of him so much?--mostly, because HE SUCKS!!!!!! Hey I actually like Nighthawk and have thought about actually playing him someday. Id modify him a bit and I agree that scarring isnt tragic enough for his origin but he works as a Batman rip and he looks damn kewl an the cover of G&G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? Oh no Tasha' date=' you let the cat out of the bag! Now Seeker/Nighthawk will be forced to buy off his Secret ID.[/quote'] If Seeker was his secret ID, that would explain his dark mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyChaos Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? If Seeker was his secret ID' date=' that would explain his dark mood.[/quote'] Lemming, glad I wasn't drinking anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? The guy is a Champion. NightHawk is not, I repeat NOT, a Street Level superhero. Yes, he IS supose to repersent the 'street level Batman guy', but let's face it, his design WAS based on Gatchman (basicly take G2 Joe The Condor and Batman, and put him into a cosmic blender, just like The Powerpuff Girls are Sailor Moon and Supergirl placed through the same blender). And Gatchman is not a street level hero team. Thay destroyed mecha for gash sakes! Which reminds me...I am going to have to do my version of Galactor one of theas days (the infamous Talon group, 'lead' by Malakore and Xanosynn, with there gane of genetly created goons, giant mecha, and brainwashed scientist). Steriaca. Blending Batman and Gatchaman, not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loraxxx Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? Hey I actually like Nighthawk and have thought about actually playing him someday. Id modify him a bit and I agree that scarring isnt tragic enough for his origin but he works as a Batman rip and he looks damn kewl an the cover of G&G. ahhh!--so you agree that he has a lousy origin, needs stat enhancement, and only looks good SOME of the time....? ....thank you for your assistance--i rest my case.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? If you google for "Champions Nighthawk" and "Champions Seeker" that's what you get: Nighthawk http://home.att.net/~the-nighthawk/NWA-Flair.JPG Seeker http://hometown.aol.com/thadove/seeker.jpg Nighthawk wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koshka Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Re: Why does Nighthawk always get depicted getting the crap kicked out of him? But I find it funny that no one gave 2 shakes when I drew Ogre using Defender as a soccer ball in Millennium city... .. But does it count as a goal when the kicker puts the "ball" through the support post instead of the net? Come to think of it, 4th edition Defender got his clock cleaned once or twice -- the cover of Hero System Almanac 1 is definitely a "Better Get Maaco"* moment. Maybe people don't complain about those because Defender's got armor to take the beating for him? *(For posters outside the US, "Maaco" is the name of a chain of auto repair shops. Their TV ads follow the pattern of showing a minor auto accident and one person involved in it saying "Better get Maaco".) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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