CHAR: Iron Man

[Enforcer84]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

when this thread started, I posted a brief summary of powers for the suits taken from a previously published book, it amounted to a total of less than a page, but was that too much information to avoid violating copyrights?

 

if folks feel I posted too much, I will pull it

 

thats why I only posted the rough lists of powers and not any values etc

 

I post quite a bit of Traveller/Traveller oriented material, but I am posting the traveller material within set guidelines obtained from author and copyright holder

 

and even then I at least try and be careful what I am posting

 

course with traveller having gone through 5 seperate editions, and 4 different publishers for the main books alone, its hard to keep track of who held what and who to ask for permission

No, you merely listed his weaponry. No stats, no material directly from the book.

And it looks like I didnt' get to it last night. "BAD CHAD!" NO BISCUIT!

I have a game tonight so I won't do it today, but there's still next week!

[Enforcer84]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

WOW. 75 responses and I hadn't even really posted anything near a complete character!

 

Let me know what you think so far.

 

BTW: Thanks again to Gadgets & Gear for inspiration at least!

 

Iron Man

Val Char Cost Roll Notes

13/60 STR 3 12- / 21- Lift 151.6kg/102.4tons; 2 1/2d6/12d6 [1/3]

12/25 DEX 6 11- / 14- OCV: 4/8/DCV: 4/8

15/50 CON 10 12- / 19-

12/32 BODY 4 11- / 15-

30 INT 20 15- PER Roll 15-

18 EGO 16 13- ECV: 6

18/28 PRE 8 13- / 15- PRE Attack: 3 1/2d6/5 1/2d6

14 COM 2 12-

 

6/45 PD 3 Total: 6/45 PD (0/30 rPD)

6/45 ED 3 Total: 6/45 ED (0/30 rED)

3/6 SPD 8 Phases: 4, 8, 12/2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12

6/22 REC 0

30/100 END 0

30/100 STUN 3 Total Characteristic Cost: 86

 

Movement:

Running: 18"/36"

Flight: 50"/100"

Leaping: 2"/4"

Swimming: 2"/4"

 

 

Cost Powers END

100 Arsenal: The Weapons Systems: Multipower, 125-point reserve, (125 Active Points); all slots Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

5u 1) Capture Foam Projector: Entangle 7d6, 7 DEF, 32 Charges (+1/4), Area Of Effect (One Hex; +1/2) (122 Active Points); OAF (-1), Limited Range (20"; -1/4), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) [32]

5u 2) Fire Suppression System: Dispel Fire Powers 18d6, any Fire Power one at a time (+1/4), Area Of Effect (7" Any Area; +1) (121 Active Points); 4 Charges (-1), Limited Range (5"; -1/4), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) [4]

3u 3) Holo-Generator: Sight and Hearing Groups Images Increased Size (2" radius; +1/4), -5 to PER Rolls (37 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 4

9u 4) Repulsors: (Total: 125 Active Cost, 88 Real Cost) Energy Blast 16d6, Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (100 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) (Real Cost: 80) plus Energy Blast 5d6 (25 Active Points); Only for Knockback Calculation or Spreading (-2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) (Real Cost: 8) 6

4u 5) Sonic Blast: Deafening Mode: Hearing Group Flash 12d6, Explosion (+1/2) (54 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 5

4u 6) Sonic Blast: Sonic Cutter: Killing Attack - Ranged 5d6 (75 Active Points); Increased Endurance Cost (x2 END; -1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 14

6u 7) Sonic Blast: Standard Mode: Energy Blast 15d6 (75 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 7

6u 8) Sonic Stunner: Energy Blast 8d6, Attack Versus Limited Defense (defense is Hearing Flash Defense; +1 1/2) (100 Active Points); Increased Endurance Cost (x2 END; -1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 20

1u 9) Spotlight: Sight Group Images Increased Size (2" radius; 4" Cone; +1/4), +6 to PER Rolls (35 Active Points); Only To Create Light (-1), Limited Range (30"; -1/4), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 3

6u 10) Tractor Beam: Telekinesis (60 STR) (90 Active Points); Affects Whole Object (-1/4), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 9

10u 11) Unibeam: Energy Blast 20d6, Variable Special Effects (Electromagnetic Spectrum; +1/4) (125 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 12

72 Mobility: Multipower, 90-point reserve, (90 Active Points); all slots Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

7u 1) Combat Flight: Flight 30", Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4), combat acceleration/deceleration (+1/4) (90 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 3

3u 2) Roller Skates: Running +12" (18" total), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (36 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

7u 3) Sonic Flight: Flight 20", MegaScale (1" = 1,000 km; +1), Can Be Scaled Down 1" = 1km (+1/4) (90 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 9

The Golden Avenger Series Attribute Enhancements, all slots Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

47 1) a- Servomotor backed Artificial Musculature weave: +47 STR, Reduced Endurance (1/2 END; +1/4) (59 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 2

9 2) b- Strength Protocal Overrides: +50 STR (50 Active Points); Increased Endurance Cost (x10 END; -4), No Figured Characteristics (-1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) 50

31 3) c- Neuropathic Relays: +13 DEX (39 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

56 4) d- Impact diffusion & Resiliance Enhancement: +35 CON (70 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

32 5) e- Structural Integrity: +20 BODY (40 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

8 6) f - Confidence & Impressive Armor: +10 PRE (10 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

2 7) g- Energy Diffusion coat: +2 ED; Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

16 8) h- Reaction Enhancement: +2 SPD (20 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

6 9) i- Structural Integrity II: +8 STUN (8 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

5 10) k - Backup Battery: Endurance Reserve (100 END, 5 REC) (15 Active Points); Only Works If Primary Battery Has 0 END (-1), OIF (-1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

The Golden Avenger Series Communications Suite and Sensory Array, all slots Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

8 1) 360 Vision: Increased Arc Of Perception (360 Degrees) with Sight Group (10 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

8 2) Communications Suite: High Range Radio Perception (Radio Group), +3 to PER Roll (15 Active Points); Sense Affected As Sight And Hearing Group As Well As Radio Group [very common Sense] (-1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

4 3) Nightsight: Nightvision (5 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

7 4) Parabolic Hearing System: +6 versus Range Modifier for Hearing Group (9 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

11 5) Radar Array: Radar (Radio Group), Increased Arc Of Perception (360 Degrees) (20 Active Points); Sense Affected As Sight Group As Well As Radio Group [very common Sense] (-1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

13 6) Secured Communications Suite: Mind Link , Specific Group of Minds, No LOS Needed, Number of Minds (x8) (35 Active Points); Only With Others Who Have Mind Link (-1), Sense Affected As Radio And Hearing Groups, Not Mental Group [very common Sense] (-1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

12 7) Sight Magnification System: Microscopic (x1,000) ( x1,000) with Sight Group (15 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

7 8) Telescopic Lenses: +6 versus Range Modifier for Sight Group (9 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

4 9) Thermalvision, Heat Trace-Tracking: Tracking with Infrared Perception (5 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

4 10) Thermalvision, High-Powered: N-Ray Perception (stopped by walls or like objects 1/2" thick or thicker, force fields, or anything that would block the ability to sense heat) (Sight Group) (10 Active Points); Limited Effect (can only see what could be seen with Infrared Perception; -1), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

4 11) Thermalvision, Standard: Infrared Perception (Sight Group) (5 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

2 12) Ultrasonic Hearing: Ultrasonic Perception (Hearing Group) (3 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

The Golden Avengers Series Defenses, all slots Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

10 1) Cooling System: Force Field (20 ED) (20 Active Points); Only Works Against Limited Type of Attack (fire/heat; -1/2), 12 Charges (-1/4), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4) [12]

68 2) Energy Absorbtion Cells: Absorption 10d6 (standard effect: 30 points) (energy, END), Can Absorb Maximum Of 130 Points' Worth Of Energy Damage (85 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

8 3) Forged to Perfection: Lack Of Weakness (-10) for Resistant Defenses (10 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

48 4) Golden Avenger Armor: Armor (20 PD/20 ED) (60 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

32 5) Magnetic Field: Force Field (10 PD/10 ED), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2), Persistent (+1/2) (40 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

14 6) NanoDefense Systems: Power Defense (18 points) (18 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

24 7) Protected Senses: Hearing Group Flash Defense (10 points), Radio Group, Sight Group (30 Active Points); Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

6 8) Psionic Shielding: Mental Defense (14 points total) (10 Active Points); OIF (-1/2), Only In Heroic Identity (-1/4)

Perks

5 Avengers Assemble: Fringe Benefit: Membership: The Avengers (Active Membership)

5 Avengers Gear: Vehicles & Bases: Quinjets, Avengers Mansion, other offices - Individual Contribution

5 Avengers ID Card: Access: Avengers Mansion

8 Avengers ID Card: Computer Link: AVENGERS Database

40 Le'ts get to my Summer Home: Workshops/Safehouses

2 Oh my God! The Avengers!: Reputation: Member of the Avengers (A small to medium sized group) 14-, +2/+2d6

8 The Perks of the Job: Fringe Benefit: CEO of a major business, International Driver's License, Passport

11 Tony's Loaded: Money: Filthy Rich

3 Well-Connected

14 1) Contact: Business Contacts (Contact has useful Skills or resources), Organization Contact (x3) (15 Active Points) 13-

2 2) Contact: Pentagon (Contact limited by identity: Tony Stark), Organization Contact (x3) (3 Active Points) 11-

14 3) Contact: Top Men in the Industry (Contact has access to major institutions, Contact has very useful Skills or resources), Organization Contact (x3) (15 Active Points) 11-

Skills

3 Analyze: Technology 15-

3 Bureaucratics 13- (15-)

3 Computer Programming 15-

3 Cryptography 15-

3 Electronics 15-

3 Inventor 15-

3 Mechanics 15-

3 Paramedics 15-

3 Scholar

2 1) KS: Business Development (3 Active Points) 15-

2 2) KS: Business Law (3 Active Points) 15-

2 3) KS: Business Management (3 Active Points) 15-

2 4) KS: Computer Databases (3 Active Points) 15-

2 5) KS: Finance (3 Active Points) 15-

2 6) KS: International Business (3 Active Points) 15-

2 7) KS: Market Analysis (3 Active Points) 15-

3 Scientist

2 1) SS: AI Technology 15- (3 Active Points)

2 2) SS: Battlesuit Engineering and Design 15- (3 Active Points)

2 3) SS: Communications Engineering 15- (3 Active Points)

2 4) SS: Computer Control Systems 15- (3 Active Points)

2 5) SS: Electrical Engineering 15- (3 Active Points)

2 6) SS: Energy Conversion Systems 15- (3 Active Points)

2 7) SS: Lasers 15- (3 Active Points)

2 8) SS: Magnetics 15- (3 Active Points)

2 9) SS: Mathematics 15- (3 Active Points)

2 10) SS: Mechanical Engineering 15- (3 Active Points)

2 11) SS: Metallurgy 15- (3 Active Points)

2 12) SS: Microelectronics 15- (3 Active Points)

2 13) SS: Neural Interface Technology 15- (3 Active Points)

2 14) SS: Optics 15- (3 Active Points)

2 15) SS: Physics 15- (3 Active Points)

2 16) SS: Robotics 15- (3 Active Points)

2 17) SS: Weapons System Engineering 15- (3 Active Points)

3 Security Systems 15-

3 Systems Operation 15-

2 TF: Quinjet

3 Teamwork 11- (14-)

 

Total Powers & Skill Cost: 960

Total Cost: 1046

 

550+ Disadvantages

10 Hunted: Avengers Liason 11- (As Pow, NCI, Watching)

15 Hunted: Foes of the Avengers 11- (As Pow, Harshly Punish)

20 Hunted: Iron Man's Rogues Gallery 11- (As Pow, NCI, Harshly Punish)

10 Hunted: Pentagon 8- (Mo Pow, NCI, Watching)

10 Physical Limitation: Recovering Alcoholic (Infrequently, Greatly Impairing)

15 Psychological Limitation: Doesn't like to be second guessed or talked down to. (Very Common, Moderate)

15 Psychological Limitation: Noblesse Oblige (Common, Strong)

10 Psychological Limitation: Technophile (Common, Moderate)

15 Reputation: Rich Industrialist, 14-

10 Social Limitation: Must honor Avengers Bylaws & Charter or face expulsion (Occasionally, Major)

15 Social Limitation: Secret Identity (Tony Stark) (Frequently, Major)

351 Experience Points

 

Total Disadvantage Points: 1046

 

 

 

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[Enforcer84]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

So, do I need a combat computer?

[starblaze]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Not more than anyone else who isn't in to the whole magic thing.

 

I wouldn't give him any special defenses against magic, but I wouldn't give him any special susceptibilities to it either.

 

TB

 

He doesn't deny its existance but he hates magic because he doesn't understand it and it violates certain physical laws. He basically sees magic as a type of science that he doesn't understand.

 

From what I have been able to understand about this topic is that in the marvel universe magic requires that a person put their reason aside and accept that there are higher powers in the universe that need to be called upon. Science is based on reasoning out the universe and gaining from that reasoning.

[astroman]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Hi, Anyone out there got an Ironman.hdc I can use?

I'm a GM with a NEW on-liine player who wants to be IRON MAN.

He's new to the system and I'm pushed for time.

I have a registered version3 of Hero Designer.

Thanks in advance.

 

I've got the initial stab posted above as a starting point but with the hdc I can tweak it.

 

Dean

[brionl]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Hi, Anyone out there got an Ironman.hdc I can use?

I'm a GM with a NEW on-liine player who wants to be IRON MAN.

He's new to the system and I'm pushed for time.

I have a registered version3 of Hero Designer.

Thanks in advance.

 

I've got the initial stab posted above as a starting point but with the hdc I can tweak it.

 

Dean

 

Well, as you can see Iron Man clocks in at around 1000 pts. Unless you're running a non-standard campaign that probably won't be a starting character.

 

Your best bet would be to start with Defender, and tweak him a little bit, change around some of the disadvantages and a few powers. The Champions team in Champions are specifically designed as good starter characters and examplars of their type.

[Doc Shadow]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

So' date=' do I need a combat computer?[/quote']

 

Depends on what you want it to do. Certainly a level or two based on a combat analysis computer is reasonable.

 

But what you really need to give him is seduction. Tony's always been a ladies man.

[Enforcer84]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Hi, Anyone out there got an Ironman.hdc I can use?

I'm a GM with a NEW on-liine player who wants to be IRON MAN.

He's new to the system and I'm pushed for time.

I have a registered version3 of Hero Designer.

Thanks in advance.

 

I've got the initial stab posted above as a starting point but with the hdc I can tweak it.

 

Dean

yea, in the "combined Thread" I think I posted hdc files for everyone. Look in the Marvel/DC link in my signature.

[Diamond_J]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

When I used to read the Avengers' date=' I never got the impression that he was drastically lower in STR than the other big hitters, like Wonder Man or the Vision. If Thor has 115 STR, 50 sounds way too low for Iron Man. Maybe 75 or so. His usual M.O. was a repulsor blast or two, invariable followed by lots of fisticuffs.[/quote']

 

Old Thor in Avengers was only about a 60 STR so was the Hulk up and until the mid to late 80's. Hulk was listed as weighing 1000 lbs and being able to lift 200 times as much (at a calm). At the time Toney could lift 75 tonnes in the Iron man armor. Keep in mind a metric ton is 200 lbs more then a tonne in lbs. Starks armor now can lift 80 tonnes that's it. Depending on the suit this would sometimes be 90 tonnes, but we're looking at a STR of 58 realistically. Stark relies on his repolser blasts mostly anyway.

 

Today I just don't know for sure. Last I checked during the world war Hulk saga there was a quote that might indicate Hulks current STR. She-Hulk demonstrated her STR by punching the concrete, which left a big crater. She then said "the Hulk is capable of 1000 times this force". She Hulk is still written as capable of lifting 100 tonnes. That would put Hulks STR at 110 roughly by champions standards. Thor's been given an equal boost and I'd currently place his STR at 100 likely not on par with Hulk anymore but close. He has class seven STR which currently means beyond 400 tonnes

 

No way Toney's armor is that powerfull even with extremeous tech.

[Teflon Billy]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Old Thor in Avengers was only about a 60 STR so was the Hulk up and until the mid to late 80's. Hulk was listed as weighing 1000 lbs and being able to lift 200 times as much (at a calm). At the time Toney could lift 75 tonnes in the Iron man armor. Keep in mind a metric ton is 200 lbs more then a tonne in lbs. Starks armor now can lift 80 tonnes that's it. Depending on the suit this would sometimes be 90 tonnes, but we're looking at a STR of 58 realistically. Stark relies on his repolser blasts mostly anyway.

 

Today I just don't know for sure. Last I checked during the world war Hulk saga there was a quote that might indicate Hulks current STR. She-Hulk demonstrated her STR by punching the concrete, which left a big crater. She then said "the Hulk is capable of 1000 times this force". She Hulk is still written as capable of lifting 100 tonnes. That would put Hulks STR at 110 roughly by champions standards. Thor's been given an equal boost and I'd currently place his STR at 100 likely not on par with Hulk anymore but close. He has class seven STR which currently means beyond 400 tonnes

 

No way Toney's armor is that powerfull even with extremeous tech.

Marvel lift tons have absolutely no relation to real world weights, as many, many, many, many, many comics have shown in the Marvel Universe.

 

The Hulk is capable of lifting millions of real world tons, this was average every day Hulk during the Secret Wars saga when he held an entire mountain on his shoulders. The WW Hulk is several orders of magnitude more powerful, we are probably talking billions of tons here.

 

TB

[Vondy]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

You don't have to name the conflict. You can always just refer to him as a tech consultant for the military who has frequently been over-seas in combat zones checking actual field results. i.e., most recent, recognizable, conflict. Sad that history makes that as convenient as it does, but there it is. This is a problem with a lot of Marvel heroes.

[Diamond_J]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Marvel lift tons have absolutely no relation to real world weights, as many, many, many, many, many comics have shown in the Marvel Universe.

 

The Hulk is capable of lifting millions of real world tons, this was average every day Hulk during the Secret Wars saga when he held an entire mountain on his shoulders. The WW Hulk is several orders of magnitude more powerful, we are probably talking billions of tons here.

 

TB

 

Not this argument again. I just read the issue you're referring 3 weeks ago just to confirm what I already new. The Hulk at the time had retained a portion of Bruce's intellect and could rationalize coherently. Hulk stated that he was not lifting up millions of tonnes but merely bracing the mountain with his leverage. Read the comic and you'll see how small the hole they were in was relative to the entire mountain. He was in no way bearing the brunt of any more then the tiniest fraction of the mountains weight. He says as much himself.

 

In physics there are different kinds of force, and you are grossly simplifying things by coming to the above conclusion.

 

By your argument a small concrete pillar in a parking garage can bear the weight of an entire 40 story building. That has to be 1000nds of ktons yet I can wreck the pillar by driving my car into it at full speed. That must mean that my car is exerting 1000nds of ktons of force. That sounds like Palladium Hero's Unlimited logic to me. Keep in mind the pillar (in this case Hulk) is only supporting a fraction of the overall weight of the object.

 

There are several issues were they state exactly what Hulk can lift. I read an issue from 1985 that said exactly how much. Of course as I stated before many of Mavel's hero's have been powered up. It may be difficult if not impossible to pin a certain number on Hulk's STR as it is now. My attempt was merely an educated guess

[Vondy]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

I don't have an issue with the hulk lifting a mountain as much as I do the mountain surviving the experience without coming apart.

[Diamond_J]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

I don't have an issue with the hulk lifting a mountain as much as I do the mountain surviving the experience without coming apart.

 

Again he didn't lift the mountain. He was bracing the small upper peak of the mountain in a tiny hole he was wegged in with some other heros. It was very realistic given the realm of superhero physics.

[Doomed Prophet]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

There are physics in Marvel/DC comics?

It's a sign of the apocalypse!

[Diamond_J]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

There are physics in Marvel/DC comics?

It's a sign of the apocalypse!

 

Well there use to be at least

[Vondy]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Again he didn't lift the mountain. He was bracing the small upper peak of the mountain in a tiny hole he was wegged in with some other heros. It was very realistic given the realm of superhero physics.

 

Doesn't matter - do you know much about geology and mountain formation; or just basic physics? It would have broken apart above him leverage or no. Just like an aircraft carrier would end up with a hole punched in the bottom where he was standing if he tried to pick it up. There's nothing "realistic" about super-hero physics. In fact the phrase "it was very realistic given the realm of super-hero physics" boggles the mind. The leverage reference was a skimpy fig-leaf for bold-faced fantasy. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Enforcer84]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Doesn't matter - do you know much about geology and mountain formation; or just basic physics? It would have broken apart above him leverage or no. Just like an aircraft carrier would end up with a hole punched in the bottom where he was standing if he tried to pick it up. There's nothing "realistic" about super-hero physics. In fact the phrase "it was very realistic given the realm of super-hero physics" boggles the mind. The leverage reference was a skimpy fig-leaf for bold-faced fantasy. Nothing more' date=' nothing less.[/quote']

my that is a skimpy fig leaf!

[Diamond_J]

Re: CHAR: Iron Man

 

Doesn't matter - do you know much about geology and mountain formation; or just basic physics? It would have broken apart above him leverage or no. Just like an aircraft carrier would end up with a hole punched in the bottom where he was standing if he tried to pick it up. There's nothing "realistic" about super-hero physics. In fact the phrase "it was very realistic given the realm of super-hero physics" boggles the mind. The leverage reference was a skimpy fig-leaf for bold-faced fantasy. Nothing more' date=' nothing less.[/quote']

 

Lets pretend for a moment were talking about a bat cave. In this case it's a small one. For whatever reason the caves become unstable due to a fissure. The only thing holding the cave together is a small column of stone. The cave is already being held together, it's just unstable. A bad jostle to the support may cause a cave in. It not to say the the top bottom and sides of this structure are being held together by this lowly piece of stone. The stone is just bracing

 

Yes I do realize there is a leap of faith one has to make when reading comics but there is no indication that the Hulk is lifting the whole mountain. It does not take a University physics professor to realize this. The comic even states he's not, so how can you even argue this point?

 

Aren't we off track from the post. Something about Iron can't remember.