Dale A. Ward Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hi, Gang! I know this has been discussed before, but I can't remember what conclusions we came to nor where the thread went... so I'm bringing it up again. I'm getting ready to sit down with all of my 2D & 3D drawing software and hardware and create a starship design... complete with deckplans and a nice 3/4 view. I want the ship to be scaled properly in all three dimensions, so I need to know the third dimensional measurements of a hex in SH. If a single hex holds 1 ton of cargo, how far is it from the floor to the ceiling? This one measurement will tell me all I need to know. I'm betting I'll have the correct answer within 15 minutes of submitting this message... you people are just that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale A. Ward Posted September 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume ~shrugs~ Okay... so I was wrong. Probably too early on a Sunday for folks to be reading these forums anyway. I'll keep checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume It depends on the density of the cargo. A ton of lead takes up a lot less space than a ton of cork. Of course even if I had the density of the cargo I am so helpless with math that I still couldn't give you a proper answer. I have always assumed that a hex (in any Hero setting) is as tall as the hex is across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume A volumetric hex is explicitly defined as an hexagonal prism, two meters from flat side to opposing flat side, and two meters tall. It has a volume of 7 cubic meters. I hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcat1313 Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume in Traveller, a displacement starship ton is 14 cubic meters, 1 deckplan square, this is also equal to 2 hero hexes 10 displacement tons of volume cargo would fill a 40' van semi trailer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume As a rule of thumb (not super precise but close enough for game terms), an area 1 hex across, one hex, deep, and 2 hexes high is one displacement ton. In statting out a ship SH advises that about half of the volume for any given ship is usable interior space, with the rest being taken up by bulkheads, cabling, and equipage. By usable space it refers to passageways, empty compartment space, and cargo space. So here is your Naval trivia question for the day. What is the difference between Equipage and Equipment, and how do you reflect this in Hero terms. I will post the answer a couple of hours (I know the answer, I am just seeing who else knows)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume I'd base it on the density of water myself - it's how kilograms to litres are worked out (i.e. 1 litre of water = 1 kilogram = 10x10x10 cm = 1,000 cm^3) http://www.gcse.com/maths/litre.htm Are you using metric tons or imperial tons/tonnes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume in Traveller, a displacement starship ton is 14 cubic meters, 1 deckplan square, this is also equal to 2 hero hexes 10 displacement tons of volume cargo would fill a 40' van semi trailer Shouldn't that be 2 deckplan squares? I thought that Snapshot rules used a displacement ton as two 1.5m squares, with 3m vertically. (1.5x1.5x3=6.75, x2=13.5). JoeG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale A. Ward Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume As a rule of thumb (not super precise but close enough for game terms)' date=' an area 1 hex across, one hex, deep, and 2 hexes high is one displacement ton. In statting out a ship SH advises that about half of the volume for any given ship is usable interior space, with the rest being taken up by bulkheads, cabling, and equipage. By usable space it refers to passageways, empty compartment space, and cargo space. So here is your Naval trivia question for the day. What is the difference between [i']Equipage[/i] and Equipment, and how do you reflect this in Hero terms. I will post the answer a couple of hours (I know the answer, I am just seeing who else knows)... I may be wrong, but isn't Equipage the expendable supplies carried aboard ship... like food and fuel? I think it's something like that. Anyway, Wolfie... you and Shadowcat's answers gave me all I needed to know. My thanks to you two... and to everyone else that added their two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwolf Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume Aboard a ship equipage is anything installed in the ship that is permanently anchored (like welded or bolted down), while equipment is any thing that is moveable even if bulky. So for example engines, mainframe computers, and weapon mounts are equipage, while desks, fire extinghuisers, PC, and small arms are equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume I'd base it on the density of water myself - it's how kilograms to litres are worked out (i.e. 1 litre of water = 1 kilogram = 10x10x10 cm = 1,000 cm^3) http://www.gcse.com/maths/litre.htm Are you using metric tons or imperial tons/tonnes? Traveler tons, which is the displacement of 1000 Kg of liquid hydrogen. A convient measurement as the majority of most spaceships is fuel tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threnody Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: Spaceship/Starship Volume A volumetric hex is explicitly defined Where, please? I'd like to add that there fact to my notes, but I'm gonna need to citation it. as an hexagonal prism, two meters from flat side to opposing flat side, and two meters tall. It has a volume of 7 cubic meters. I hope that helps. That there "7 cubic meters" is off by about 720 ml. About a fifth-of-booze too big, IOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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