kidsavior Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 I just picked up Conquerors, Killers and Crooks... And WOW!! The new Doctor is SO much tougher than before. Before he was tough, but none of my players really saw him as a massive threat, but now? Whoa boy. I'm starting a story arc with the good Doctor as the major villian and I can't wait until the big final when the heroes confront him. The first one that underestimates him is in for a BIG suprise. So Steve and Co. good job!! CKC is a great book and all the re-writes are cool. Thanks for all the hard work. 5th is and was worth the wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Now that was a pleasant surprise. Most of the Dr. Destroyer statements tend to go the other way. I like Dr. D as written too, but I don't think I'll be using him for a loooong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhamin Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 The best rundown I have heard of the changes comed down to this: 4th Edition Dr. Destroyer = Dr. Doom (The world best team can topple him) 5th Edition Dr. Destroyer = Thanos of Titan (All the heroes in the world hope they are enough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Dr D I can Take him!!!!! (I really dont know, I havent seen him yet!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 A little damage reduction here and there, some other exotic defenses, and a big area attack and Dr. D could have some problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmerged Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Know what I think is funny? One of my PC's has a higher INT. That's gonna have interesting ramifications when the inevitable happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Originally posted by TheEmerged Know what I think is funny? One of my PC's has a higher INT. That's gonna have interesting ramifications when the inevitable happens I wouldn't point that out in front of Dr. Destroyer if I were you. That wouldn't be smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Hmmm. With that said Agent X , I might just be able to take him (I was kidding before) 25% pd/ed resistent DR 61 Res X2 hardend def a lot of stun And a explosion attack which can be AP Almost a 1700 pt Pc Cosmic level brick Not as diverse as Superman though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klytus Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Any hero or villian with the proper points spent the right way can take down almost anybody... but the same also applies to them. That having been said, the new Dr. D. did surprise me, though. I mean, a 30d6 attack?!? A 20d6 Eb that costs 0 END? I used to think a basic 20d6 was over the top! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Hmmm. Originally posted by Patriot With that said Agent X , I might just be able to take him (I was kidding before) Well after Dr. Destroyer MPAs you with his 30d6 and 20d6 attacks once or twice we'll let you know how the rest of the battle turned out when you wake up in the hospital a week later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Im not that easy 30 d6 averages 100 stun - 61 for defenses =39-25% dr =29 not stunned, and its my turn 1/2 moved up at a flight of 70 1/2 move down 25D6 Detonation+str and move thru damage Last Ditch power 90 +11d6 X10 End Note this Pc(Patriot) is semi-retired, he stays at base and answers questions to the press,and for the team. Hes has a Disad Hatred Of Dr.D And he has used his last ditch power a total of 5 times in 12 years,Please dont think my games are all this high powered, they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Hmmm. Originally posted by Patriot With that said Agent X , I might just be able to take him (I was kidding before) 25% pd/ed resistent DR 61 Res X2 hardend def a lot of stun And a explosion attack which can be AP Almost a 1700 pt Pc Cosmic level brick Not as diverse as Superman though THAT sounds like a mighty character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 I think it was on Natoman's temporary discussion boards where someone gave what I think was a cogent description of the threat from the new Dr. Destroyer: The first time he encountered the Justice League, they could probably take him without too much trouble. But the second time, the Leaguers would have a major fight on their hands. If he shows up a third time, the League had better call the Justice Society, the Titans and anyone else they can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Im not that easy Originally posted by Patriot 30 d6 averages 100 stun - 61 for defenses =39-25% dr =29 not stunned, and its my turn 1/2 moved up at a flight of 70 1/2 move down 25D6 Detonation+str and move thru damage Last Ditch power 90 +11d6 X10 End Note this Pc(Patriot) is semi-retired, he stays at base and answers questions to the press,and for the team. Hes has a Disad Hatred Of Dr.D And he has used his last ditch power a total of 5 times in 12 years,Please dont think my games are all this high powered, they are not. I wouldn't care if they were all that high powered. Pretty cool. I remember the old Dr. D giving our team fits. I sat down and plotted for two hours the tactics that would allow us to beat the guy, IF nobody rolled really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Im not that easy Originally posted by Patriot 30 d6 averages 100 stun - 61 for defenses =39-25% dr =29 not stunned, and its my turn 1/2 moved up at a flight of 70 1/2 move down 25D6 Detonation+str and move thru damage Last Ditch power 90 +11d6 X10 End Note this Pc(Patriot) is semi-retired, he stays at base and answers questions to the press,and for the team. Hes has a Disad Hatred Of Dr.D And he has used his last ditch power a total of 5 times in 12 years,Please dont think my games are all this high powered, they are not. You have a -14 OCV if you're doing a movethrough at 70". Odds are that you'll miss even with an explosion attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Re: Im not that easy Originally posted by Gary You have a -14 OCV if you're doing a movethrough at 70". Odds are that you'll miss even with an explosion attack. I get the feeling he has plenty of skill levels. Plus, if you miss by two hexes, does it really matter that much with an explosion that size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klytus Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Re: Im not that easy Originally posted by Gary You have a -14 OCV if you're doing a movethrough at 70". Odds are that you'll miss even with an explosion attack. Then you don't aim for Dr. D., just the hex he's standing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Re: Re: Im not that easy Originally posted by Klytus Then you don't aim for Dr. D., just the hex he's standing in. The hex would still have a DCV 17 in such a case. Not that easy. Also, I would need info about relative dexes and speeds between the 2 to get a better idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Re: Re: Re: Im not that easy Originally posted by Gary The hex would still have a DCV 17 in such a case. Not that easy. Also, I would need info about relative dexes and speeds between the 2 to get a better idea. Would it be a DCV of 3 or 0? If you have an area affect attack the dcv at melee range is 0. Incidentally, I am about to make my 1000th post over on the Agent X thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Powerman could have taken a few shots from DD and it really depends on weather Destroyer rolls well with that first one. Powerman has 125 STR and a martial strike. So if he pushes his strength he gets 31d6. He has 10 pts of Defense on DD and they both have 50% damage reduction. Neither can stun the other and in 4 shots its over for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosliege Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Sure, if you have a team of 1700 point guys, you could take Dr D. But most of us play guys in the 350-450 pt range. I know I wouldn't want my team to face him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boll Weevil Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 I feel pretty... Hey wait a minute. I don't know how I could have missed this before. Doctor D is pretty. His ship didn't go down, his face was not burned. What happened? What of Professor Muerte's facial flambe homage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenebre Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 he is a brilliant Role playing device. but damn he could smoke tons of heroes without even trying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Originally posted by TheEmerged Know what I think is funny? One of my PC's has a higher INT. That's gonna have interesting ramifications when the inevitable happens The villain Teleios has a 50 INT I believe. Now THAT is smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterVimes Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 Re: Re: Hmmm. Originally posted by Monolith Well after Dr. Destroyer MPAs you with his 30d6 and 20d6 attacks once or twice we'll let you know how the rest of the battle turned out when you wake up in the hospital a week later. IF you wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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