Corven_Ren Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 I am currently writing up stats for Marven & DC Characters who exist in my campaign world, one who does and did not die is the X-Man Thunderbird does anyone have his OHTMU rating on his stats. Mainly strength level and how fast he can run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions John could lift about 2 tons and run 35mph. He had assorted other "more human than human" level super stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Right, his whole thing was he was low end super human level in about everything, better strength, better senses, better speed, etc...but he was not the first line guy (Colossus was stronger, Nightcrawler was faster, Wolverine had better sense, etc...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions You could probably make him with 30's-35's or so across the board with physical stuff, a little bit of running and leaping, a bit of armor, and a plus 3 or 4 or so on perception tests, I'd bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Sounds like Renegade from The Protectors by Scott Heine? Hmmm.... QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions In one of my alternate MU games that I ran MANY years ago (using TSR's old Marvel Super Heroes game), Thunderbird didn't become an X-man, since he already had a steady superhero gig. He was that worlds Captain America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions You could probably make him with 30's-35's or so across the board with physical stuff' date=' a little bit of running and leaping, a bit of armor, and a plus 3 or 4 or so on perception tests, I'd bet.[/quote'] Sounds good, probably a high end speed (6-7)* Probably also give him a good ego & PRE (15-20), above average INT and Com (13-15 range) With the high speed a couple of inches would go for all the movement he needed, maybe a couple inches for leaping/swimming *Assuming guidelines in Champions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions I'd say STR: 30-35 DEX: 23 - 26 CON: 25 - 30 BODY: 15 - 20 PD: 15 - 20 REC: 15 - 20 SPD: 5 - 6 END: 50 - 60 Stun: 50 - 60 I also think he has/had regen, but not as good as Wolverines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions I don't think he necessarily had Regen. Of course, at 30+ REC, you basically gain back a point of BOD per day of rest so he does probably heal fast relative to a normal person still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions He isn't listed in Project: Wideawake. I'll have to dig for the Handbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulgar Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions They got him pretty much right, he was second fiddle to all the other x-men. I think he was created all along to get killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corven_Ren Posted January 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions They got him pretty much right' date=' he was second fiddle to all the other x-men. I think he was created all along to get killed.[/quote'] True enough, but in my Universe he survived, and his younger brother does not have any powers. I'm still debating on which other X-Men are going to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Actually, they felt Thunderbird and Wolverine were too similar, so they decided to off one of them. Wolverine was a (slightly) established character, otherwise he could have been the one they wrote out of the series. World could have been a very different place had Logan jumped on that plane, eh bub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions He would have just come back. Pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Thunderbird - Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_%28comics%29 Warpath - Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warpath_%28comics%29 Thunderbird - Marvel Universe Database Wiki http://www.marveldatabase.com/Thunderbird_(John_Proudstar) Warpath (James Proundstar) - Marvel Universe Database Wiki http://www.marveldatabase.com/Warpath Marvel RPG.net - Gamer's Handbook of the Marvel Universe http://www.marvelrpg.net/ Cheers QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions James Proudstar's stats from the TSR MSH game X-Men supplement are as follows: Fighting Ex (Regular, formal training. Ex: Cyclops/Nightcrawler) Agility Gd (Some training in dexterity and accuracy. Ex: Invis Woman/Colossus) Strength In (Able to Press 10 tons, Spidey-level) Endurance Rm (Intensive Exercise. Ex: Captain America/Cyclops) Reason Gd (Repair and install 80's (current IOW) technology. Ex: Capt Am.) Intuition Rm (Detective Skills or Background. Ex: Cyclops/Spider-Man) Psyche Rm (Trained in resisting outside forces. Ex: Hulk/Mr. Fantastic) Body Armor Gd (stops normal handguns) Tracking Rm He's bilingual in Apache/English, has tracking/survival/outdoor skills, American Indian history and student talents. Fighting is the character's overall hand to hand competence. There are martial arts talents that can bump the column you roll on for different aspects of hand to hand, but James has none of those. Agility is used to determine ranged combat hits. Again, no great shakes here. A Hero DEX of about 18-21 is probably appropriate based on the above. SPD is probably around 4. Strength lifting capacity is based on an overhead press, not a deadlift. So STR around 45-50 is probably appropriate. Endurance is max 30 for a normal Human. That's why Cap is one of their examples for that level of End. In MSH, Mutants get a bonus to END, so that's why Cyclops is sitting there. Otherwise, he and Thunderbird would be sitting at EX. I'd say a RM probably rates him at 23-25 in most hero games simply because of the number of "normal" human ranges. I tend to think of them along the lines of Typical = 8, Good = 13, Ex = 18, Rm = 23, or thereabouts. Reason in Marvel is more a measure of how good you are at manipulating technology rather than thinking ability overall. Intuition = PER. Combning the two, I'd give him 13 INT and a couple of overall PER levels, for an INT roll of 12- and a PER roll of 14-. Psyche is basically EGO. His SFX for the high Psyche score is resistance to mental attacks trained by Xavier. You can go several routes with that. I'd say maybe 11-14 EGO (for the ECV levels) and either a little Mental Defense or Resistance perk levels. Good Body Armor is enough to stop a pistol or rifle in Marvel terms, so maybe 10-15 resistant defenses. Everything else could be bought with skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions They got him pretty much right' date=' he was second fiddle to all the other x-men. I think he was created all along to get killed.[/quote'] That's what Clairmont has always claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions That's what Clairmont has always claimed. Humm, in my world there is a team made of those that didn't quite make the cut to be X-Men, Tempest, Black Cat, Humus Sapiens, Vampyre, a few others, wonder if I should add John to that group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Sounds plausible, but I liked him anway. Cheers QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions I don't think he necessarily had Regen. Of course, at 30+ REC, you basically gain back a point of BOD per day of rest so he does probably heal fast relative to a normal person still. Hmmm...I swear I can remember an issue where T-bird is running through some woods and comes to a cliff and is thinking about jumping to prove himself. Storm stops him and asks what he is doing and he tells her can regen. She says she knows, but its not as good as Wolverines. Then again I've hit my head a few times since then so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corven_Ren Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Hmmm...I swear I can remember an issue where T-bird is running through some woods and comes to a cliff and is thinking about jumping to prove himself. Storm stops him and asks what he is doing and he tells her can regen. She says she knows, but its not as good as Wolverines. Then again I've hit my head a few times since then so who knows. Actually I believe she said "His bones do not break." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions James Proudstar's stats from the TSR MSH game X-Men supplement are as follows: You do realize James is John's younger brother Warpath, right? At present James is bigger, stronger and tougher than John ever was. He also has much more powerful enhanced senses, can fly and dual wields vibranium knives that are balanced for throwing. It's questionable which of them is the bigger grouch though. That said, I believe John's MSH game stats were pretty much the same as what you listed, though he had a EX (20) for Agility (or at least, in one of the books he did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulgar Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Humm' date=' in my world there is a team made of those that didn't quite make the cut to be X-Men, Tempest, Black Cat, Humus Sapiens, Vampyre, a few others, wonder if I should add John to that group?[/quote'] He would fit in that group better than the x-men.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions Thunderbird - Marvel RPG.net - Gamer's Handbook of the Marvel Universe http://www.marvelrpg.net/ Statistics F EX (20) A EX (20) S IN (40) E RM (30) R GD (10) I RM (30) P RM (30) Health: 110 Karma: 70 Resources: PR 13 Popularity: 13 Cheers QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulgar Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Re: Thunderbird Questions That's what Clairmont has always claimed. Explains why he was so unlikable....less complaints when he died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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